BBC Presenter killed by Vaccine

Correct, they do not signal the cell nucleus to produce the spike, they invade it directly. Both biotechs have known possible downsides.

 

every medication has potential risks, the risk of the vaccine is very low

 

You cannot know that.

 

as many that have taken the vaccine thus far without issues, we can know that

 

No long term data so you still cant know.

 

Plenty of data, this isn't like a heart transplant

 

*LOL*

I know what I'm posting about and cite to sources.

 

There is ZERO data. We actually know orders of magnitude more about long term risks of heart transplants than we do about long term risks associated with the vaccines.

 

Yes this is known although usually it is a clot TTS is a known extremely rare side effect of the AZ vaccine

 

Except that the AZ vaccine was based on known technology used for flu vaccines. This is why the TTS syndrome has been a very rude shock

https://www.health.gov.au/initiativ...-vaxzevria-covid-19-vaccine-cause-blood-clots

https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/thrombosis-with-thrombocytopenia-syndrome-tts

 

Everyone's reaction to everything, food drink drugs, is different. This is why you'll see contradictory info on prescriprions:

May cause drowsiness. May cause sleeplessness. On the same bottle

 

Nope, it don't work that way. NOW if you were crowing about a vocal anti-vaccine person dying of Covid (IF indeed they did, I don't believe a word that comes from the Covidians at this point) THAT'S permitted. If you're pointing out a death from the "vaccines" themselves.....MEH, nuttin' to see here.

 

It seems very very similar to a reaction to Heparin called HITS (actually there are two distinct reactions-but let’s not go there) We still use heparin in medicine, admittedly we mostly use a relative of it that does not cause this reaction but Heparin itself is still very much in use

 

mRNA is not new technology, and vaccines are not new technology, we have data and based on the short term data, it turns out the vaccine was very effective

 

I doubt it.

The injections are the most commonly given shots these days because the populace has been thoroughly frightened, scared silly, by a year of fear-mongering and brainwashing by Fauci & Friends. When that frightened herd was offered a red herring shot, something to save them from death, they quickly took the bait. It's just that simple. A psychological operation beautifully planned and executed by Phauci and Pharma, and of course Bill Gates and GAVI. It's been a long time coming.

 

None that would convince you, no.

 

Its a couple of decades old and some think it needs to be studied a few more. Not one treatment previous to this ever made it through trials. The clinical trials were short circuited through fear and we will never know the long term damage they could do through controlled trials. These treatments wouldn’t even be eligible for license by 2023 at the earliest if rigorous procedures had been followed.

This is a boon to Pharma since they could not get approvals for these treatments but now it is a forgone conclusion that standard protocol can be abandoned.

 

so Trump was bad to push to speed up the approval process?

do not think during a pandemic delaying the vaccine till 2023 would have been wise, especially as the risk is very very low, and the trials went fine

 

I think people should have a choice but Pharma is in bed with politicians and some politicians really relish the power they found based on fear.

 

you think Trump was in bed with Pharma?

 

Trump made many decisions he probably did not mostly agree agree with, to try to reduce the amount of flack he would get from the Left.
Saying "Trump did this" doesn't mean Trump really wanted to do that. You can view it as compromise, if you want, or a generous gesture of placation to those on the other side of the aisle.
The media would have driven the voters into a frenzy if he did not do things like that.

 

Yes. These cases happen for the adenovirus vector vaccines (not the mRNA vaccines). About 0.0008% of the time. We never denied it. Much the opposite, we publicized them in order to teach frontline doctors to test for and recognize the syndrome and treat it before it's too late (the condition is treatable). These cases will continue to happen, very very very very very very rarely. Meanwhile the virus will continue to kill, a lot, and much more frequently.

As of now (and not considering the obvious undercounting in places like Brazil, Peru, India, most of Africa, China, and Russia) we had 4,573,813 deaths caused by the virus itself.

So, pray tell, kazenatsu, what seems worse to you? A handful of cases of vaccine deaths (again, mostly for a vaccine, the AstraZeneca, that is not even approved in the US, a distinction of course you'd NEVER think of making, right?)? Or 4.5 million (a grossly underestimated number) of virus deaths?

Here is another heartbreaking story:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mother-college-student-died-screaming-090100015.html

19-year-old girl, healthy, no underlying conditions, about to start college, unvaccinated, got Covid, died in days, alone in the hospital, screaming through her mask to her mother on the phone before she got intubated, which was the last the devastated mother heard from her.

A thoroughly avoidable death. The odds are overwhelming that this healthy girl would have survived, had she accepted the vaccine.

YOUR POSTING IS LITERALLY KILLING PEOPLE, kazenatsu. I don't know what drives you to hold this relentless campaign against the vaccine. In your case it's just too much, 9 in 10 posts of yours are bashing vaccines and presenting often FALSE information (like I've shown in your thread about people faring worse when vaccinated - the above, for a change, is not false but is statistically extremely rare, something you never take the care of ALSO saying). I've asked you a few times, are you being paid by some group? Unsurprisingly you never answered. But do know that at least some people will read the CRAP, the GARBAGE you post, will naively believe you, will decline the vaccine, and will die. Blood that will stain your hands. It probably has already happened.

 

Simple. The mRNA vaccines are among the safest ever made. They compare favorably to other vaccines, for example, flu vaccines that can cause Guillain-Barré syndrome. The issue described by the OP is not happening with the mRNA vaccines but rather with the adenovirus vector vaccines such as the AstraZeneca, the J&J, and I'd assume the Sputnik V too which uses the same platform but I don't trust the Russians; if cases have happened, they have probably kept them hidden. So, not the mRNA vaccines, a distinction that of course, the OP would not make, since he seems very much interested in discrediting ALL vaccines.

The cases are so rare that it is difficult to pinpoint what made these people who took the AstraZeneca, slightly more susceptible to these thrombotic thrombocytopenic events. We do know that the cases are more frequent in women younger than 50 (it has much more rarely happened to a few men). A history of thrombotic events slightly increases the risk.

 

So I was being generous to this issue when I said 0.0008%. It's actually, from your numbers, 0.0000123%. A thoroughly negligible number when compared to the mortality of the virus itself.

It needs to be also understood that this virus is notorious for causing coagulation problems, in up to 40% of people according to various studies.

If we compare 40% to 0.0000123%, it's a no brainer that the virus is much worse for the coagulation system than the vaccines. Not to forget, the mRNA vaccines don't seem to have this problem; only the adenovirus vector ones.

 

No, that's not true. If you look at my thread The State of the Vaccines, I've ALWAYS commented on the severe adverse reactions and deaths, and talked a lot about these thrombotic thrombocytopenic syndromes related to the AstraZeneca vaccine.

The scientific community is not trying to hide these cases, much the opposite. Scientific and medical organizations in Germany and Norway published extensively, in English, protocols about this issue, how to recognize it, and how to treat it (they are treatable if spotted early enough). So the medico-scientific community never tried to hide the problem.

It's just a question of putting it in perspective. Like the numbers show, they occur in 0.0000123% of cases, a VERY tiny percentage. On the other hand, thrombotic events caused by the virus itself have been shown to be as frequent as 40%. So, in almost half the cases of Covid-19 including the mild ones, if you look for the issue, you will find microthrombosis in organs, and a sizable number of post-covid survivors drop dead of pulmonary embolism or stroke a few weeks later.

The anti-vaxxers also never say that the rate of occurrence of thrombotic syndromes from the vaccines is much smaller than the rates associated with birth control pills, smoking, and simply traveling by airplane. We don't see a campaign against traveling by airplane from the anti-vaxxer crowd, do we?

Allow me to ask you sir, do you ever happen to travel by airplane? If you do and you are so upset about this thrombotic risk from the vaccines (as negligible as it is, and by the way it doesn't occur with the mRNA vaccines, only with the adenovirus vector ones), I advise you to stop immediately any plans for airplane travel for as long as you shall live. You know, you wouldn't want to expose yourself to a risk several thousands of times bigger than this risk of the vaccines that you so deplore, right? Right? No more air travel for ya. Gotta stay consistent, right? Right?