Should teachers be allowed to say "Slavery was bad and it should not happen again"?

actually it's all races, just crt says the majority one has the most impact

so if an area is mostly black, the reverse would be true

when you see a black boss take over and most of the employes around him are black that he hires, same things

 

I don't have to consider the teacher's perspective. Your posts of full of straw man horse manure.

You don't even apologize. Instead you throw out another red herring.

You need to give an example of these. Or you should apologize. But you will likely do neither and instead give another red herring.

 

Have you been taught in this subject or have you taught courses in this subject?

 

I was in the Army from 1962-64, prior to the major war in Vietnam by our invasion forces. When I was in, the Rules of engagement were for our men to avoid combat to keep America from taking blame for the war itself.

For the good of this discussion, race was not an issue in the military even prior to my being drafted.

 

I’ve seen worse nonanswers to my question before.

 

...I want to remind you race has always been an issue in the military and it has not abated after formal segregation ended and the military was integrated.

 

That wasn't from me. It came from the teachings you support.

 

The only position I’ve defended in this thread... is education is based on moral statements.

 

Do you see what I posted as moral? Would you want your children learning that? Do you even have children?

 

Not for the military. And humans naturally differ.

 

Humans differ is not an excuse for having segregated army units.

 

I don't think we need an 'anti-racist education'. Public education should be morally neutral. I learned to not be racist from my parents and from interacting with other races, not from guidance from my school. School should teach how racism contributed to race-based slavery, discriminatory laws, race based tribalism and violence, and all the things that make racism bad. School doesn't need to teach 'racism is bad' if it presents the historical negative effects of why racism is bad. Children should still be allowed to draw their own moral conclusions with guidance from their parents, not the school (or the state).

 

Well that’s the complex part right? Where do what opinions are acceptable stop? That’s why I think only facts should be taught

 

You will have to remind me. And I have a nephew I help raise.

 

What is the meaningful distinction then between the two? I don’t see one in this case.

 

race of course needs to examine all race issues, including backs being racist against whites - so preferably a generic example, like green men discriminating again blue ones or something as I think it's hard when kids see the examples of the races around them - and make it basic, more of racism is wrong message ( at least in elementary school) - jr high can go into more history

 

The difference as I see it-

'Racism is bad' (and logically- racists are bad) is a moral conclusion. Public school is an agent of the state. States that push citizens to certain moral conclusions are usually known as theocracies. We are not a theocracy.

'Racism destabilizes civilization' is an historically demonstrable fact. Public school is, foundationally, a tool for advancing civilization by proliferating knowledge. Knowledge of history (what to repeat and what not to repeat) is an important part of school.

Public primary education should stick to the facts and leave the moral conclusions up to the individual and the family.

Or to put another way- school should teach why racism is harmful to society and let non-state agents- family, friends, religion, community teach that it is immoral.

 

and that is what the op is asking

 

so if a child steals from another child, should they not tell children that is bad, as that is a moral conclusion

I think basics, like stealing is wrong, hurting others is wrong, racism is wrong, are not really pushing morals on others

telling a child they are bad cause they are white is wrong

telling a child they are victims cause they are black is wrong

telling a child they will go to hell if they do not believe in a God is wrong

 

So lets have a teacher, use their influence on a young person to teach:

Any support for equality is from a position of greed and is limited to only what you can personally gain from it.

Is that moral?

 

nope, have you?

 

Stealing, like racism, is not just bad because it is wrong. Its also bad because it destabilizes society, and we want to live in a stable society. 'If you can steal from others, then others can steal from you, and you don't want that, so you can't steal from others.' Again, school should be teaching why something is bad, not that it simply is bad.

School should not be teaching 'this is bad because school/state/others say so' any more than it should be teaching 'this is bad because God says so.' Neither are suitable positions for a neutral education setting.

 

LOL .. NOW who's the innocent?

 

Post of the day!

 

Holy heck .... what century do you live in?