Should teachers be allowed to say "Slavery was bad and it should not happen again"?

That’s not what I’m saying anymore than saying playing a symphony is preparing students to study music in college. Nope. Go read all of this again and try harder.

 

It does though. That's literally how people go to school for music. That's why the professors who make symphonies and explain how to teach symphonies do it. To prepare you for college or beyond that.

Professors-->math textbooks-->students-->go to college-->become math professors-->math textbooks, repeat ad nauseum. You're talking about the first half. I'm taking that to its inevitable conclusion.

 

That’s not what I’m saying anymore than saying playing a symphony is preparing students to study music in college. Nope. Go read all of this again and try harder.

 

But it does. That's literally one of the things music schools look for when evaluating someone for their program-do they have a history of music education already? If they do things like play in a symphony the answer is yes.

 

You realize you're talking to a music teacher with a degree in music right?

 

You realize you're talking to a person in a R1 university who has to teach people important skills because we want them to go to grad school?

 

What does that have to do with you (badly) explaining to me what music schools look for in their admissions and programs?

Also what exactly is "teach(ing) people important skills"? You basically like you're a tutor to help poorly performing undergrads get accepted to grad programs. Also attending such a university doesn't mean your degree, your program or anything like that are associated in any fashion with that. Finally even if they were... what does that have to do with CRT?

I work in public schools. Telling me what is happening at my place of employment isn't really happening is gaslighting. Telling me that I'd understand that if I understood the progression of music instruction when I have that actual degree is doubling down.

On top of all that, you just don't understand CRT, PRAXIS, you've refused to define how you're using antiracist, etc.

You're flailing.

 

About as much as you claiming you work in a public school. You're on the internet. You can be anyone on the internet.

I've been teaching classes for the last 2 years. Lesson plans, grading, helping with questions. I'm not saying I'm a professor, I'm just a TA but I know what teaching a class is like. You are aware I've already made the reference to structuralism multiple times in this thread? Which is a theory in political science that looks at how institutions affect behavior. Which is CRT. That's all CRT is. It's how the law contributes to racism. I'm in grad school... because this is what I study. I study how institutions create incentives for things like racism. It's not the first time it's happened. This is basically Weber's analysis of french peasants turning into Frenchmen.

And did you ever think about all the little steps to get you to that point where you can claim you work for a public school? I know music teachers and I know the work they put into their education. What you are saying, they would laugh at. You teach music... so they understand music. Which they can then use to go on and become music teachers. You don't teach kids how to be in a symphony for some reason. You do it because it makes sense within the wider context of musical careers.You teach skills now, so they can build on those skills later on.

I've explained how I'm interpreting your argument like 5 times now. I get what you're saying. Unless there is something important I'm missing out on, then you have to respond to my points against you.

 

I can be but the reality is I've been teaching likely longer than you've been alive. I have a graduate degree in Curriculum and Instruction and my undergrad degree is in Music Education.

https://criticalrace.org/what-is-critical-race-theory/

Start at a source like that and begin applying it. This is a lot deeper than "gee let's see how some historical racism contributed to X".

Start to improve your understanding with their own label... identitarian. You are not an individual, you are your identity. If you can't start to comprehend that then the rest is pointless. You are trying to apply your understanding to people who don't see the world the same way and will demand you change all to match theirs.

Self-avowed anti-racists are not only expected to push for equity (i.e. the equality of outcome) in the broader society, but are also asked to find racism in daily life. Robin DiAngelo, author of White Fragility, writes, “The question is not ‘did racism take place?’ but rather, ‘how did racism manifest in this situation?”’ Anti-racists must find these “implicit biases” in all aspects of life, ranging from discussions in the classroom to interactions between colleagues. All of these are fair game.

The way this manifests in a public school setting goes far beyond some "ugly history" or being allowed to say "slavery was bad and shouldn't happen again." This is a revolutionary mindset whereby racism has replaced classism in the Marxist oppressor oppressed matrix. You've not even indicated you are on the starting line for this level of discussion and understanding on this topic.

Your reasoning is circular... you teach music so they understand music.

That's just garbage. Most kids who play music in public school DO NOT go on to be music teachers. Just like most people who take math do not go on to become math teachers. Your baseline assumption there is wrong. Most students are not taught in a manner to be able to teach in a field but to demonstrate some basic level of competency and understanding. Most good music students out of a public school system wouldn't even be able to audition into any decent school of music just as a good clarification to what I am discussing.

You don't get what I'm saying. I've asked for example for you to clarify your use of antiracist vs just being against racism. You've ignored it. You ignore it because you don't really desire to address your own topic properly.