Let's do a pros and cons of Trumps Presidency

I will explain how these things are done. They do not actually contact everyone in the US to come up with each month"s data point. They do a sample of a few thousand people. Because of that there is a random variation in each month. One month's points mean very little because of that random variation.

A common way flatten things out a bit is to average the current month with the previous month and the following month. When you do that, you will find your points do not mean much.

If you do that for Trumps anaugaration- Dec 2016, Jan 2017 and February 2017, you will get 62.9. If you do it for just prior to the Covid drop or Jan 2020, Jan 2021 and Feb 2021, you will get 63.3. That is a rise of 0.4%. You might want to try it for significant points such as the low point in Obama's administration to the last day of Obama's administration.

 

But when you consider two things, your conclusions go to hell in a hand-basket.

1- Trump had to work against a dedicated democratic party AND a media that had become a hate-propaganda machine. NOBODY would "look good" with all the haters working so hard to shape his image.

2- Compare what Trump did, faults and all to what Biden is doing- and Trump looks like genuine leadership, while Biden is a more like a dungbeetle.
Why would anyone follow the dungbeetle? Because they rode the hate train for anything else but Trump, and admitting they did far worse is more than their egos can stand.
Whiners and complainers are as common as weeds, and just as useless. Doers and problem solvers never come from that crop.

The real demonstration that should disgust you is the conduct of the people and media that turned our nation into a circus, devoid of character rife with crime, and hardly an honest politician among them all.

 

What? I posted pics of the low point of obama. Sept 2015
And he was in office for 3 weeks of 2017, which I also posted Jan 2017, when he left office.

 

There is a margin of error for each month's data. A change of a few tenths of a percent during a single month is of no significance. You have to look at the long term trend. I demonstrated one method to do that.

In addiition, if you take a look at the curve they provide and mentally average out the bumps, there is a slow rise during the Obama administration and then a sharper rise during the Trump administration up to the point where Covid put an end to it.

 

what, Biden is trying to nip the virus in the bud? This is bad?

Nothing is forced, you won't pay a fine or go to jail if you refuse. You might have to find another employer who won't mind if you are not vaccinated, though. However, if that happens, the gov should pay unemployment for the person until you find the new job. .

 

What a load of garbage denialism .. what items on the list did you not comprehend ..

1)singling out a group within society ..
2) using state sponsored propaganda and lies to demonize this group of people ..
3) followed by taking their livelihoods away .
4) restricting their movement -
5) forced medical treatemtent ..
6) everything you would expect from Authoritarian Facist"

 

In fact the chart shows it ticking back up.

 

I'll file that in the wishful thinking file.

 

What part of survival of the species do you not understand?

What you have written is just right wing propaganda.

The president has a right to clamp down on the pandemic.

 

I'm not really sure who you are quoting when you say "look good" I definitely didn't say anything about looking good. My bigger concern is addressing and correcting problems the situation when problems do arise. It's the first step to actually fixing the problem, simply denying the problem and saying things are fantastic is no solution. It is a display of a lack of leadership. When we experience 4,000 COVID deaths in a single day, calling it "practically zero" is a failure acknowledge the problem. The fact of the matter is we were not in a good place when Trump left office, our COVID day to day deaths were at their peak, and we were still experiencing job loss as recent as December of 2020. That isn't to blame him for the problem occurring, but if you cannot acknowledge the problem, then you are in no position to get it fixed. It's like if the toilet breaks in your home, the first step to fixing the problem is acknowledging it's broken, and then you get it fixed. If you can't even acknowledge the thing is broken to begin with, then we really can't rely on you to get it fixed.

 

Patrick .. you really need to try not to contradict yourself .. in the same post .. unless you are claiming Joe was clamping down on the pandemic doing the following . what you refer to as "Right Wing Propaganda" .

1)singling out a group within society ..
2) using state sponsored propaganda and lies to demonize this group of people ..
3) followed by taking their livelihoods away .
4) restricting their movement -
5) forced medical treatemtent ..
6) everything you would expect from Authoritarian Facist"

Is that what you are trying to say ... Patrick .. Joe is clamping down using "Right Wing Propaganda" ?

Labeling any information that conflicts with the fairy tale is a common symptom of TDS .. better get that checked out ... figure out the difference between reporting the facts - (News Outlet) and propaganda (CNN/MSNBC) - and then we can talk about "survival of the species.

 

Please see threads "A republic if we can keep it" and "Continued: A republic if we can keep it."

Please don't call our form of government a democracy. That is a terrible slight.

 

I'm not sure exactly why you believe a misguided group of selfish people who are not acting in the interests of the nation should be able to pose a public health threat while hurting the economy. Potentially costing taxpayers billions more dollars. Germany has the right idea. If you make the choice of not getting vaccinated there will be consequences.

Germany imposes coronavirus lockdown for unvaccinated people
https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-imposes-coronavirus-lockdown-for-the-unvaccinated/

 

Pro: Some policy decisions helped develop effective vaccines.

Con: Attempted coup.

 

You do have that part absolutely right. Like any problem as simple as your car failing, you don't just throw parts at it in guesses, you diagnose the cause. Only then do you know what o fix and how.
Trump saw the open border influx as a problem- and he was right, because it by-passed all our controls and standards. He set out and pursued a way to fix that. The left attacked the idea from the beginning- refusing to recognize as a problem something they could turn into a political weapon. Biden not only killed the solution, ha has amplified the problem exponentially- and illegally.
When I say illegally, I mean as in direct violation of Federal law, US Code 1324a. If Biden were charged today, honestly, with the violations of that law- there would be a hundred thousand counts filed.
The democrats do not recognize that as a problem either.

People are being played by the politicians in collusion with media. The manipulation of facts, the evasions and misrepresentations are meant to make chosen people "look good" in the public eye.
That sir- IS a major problem, and the source of many other major problems, such as the public being unable to get a clear picture of what's going on- not being able to diagnose the root problem.... and therefore, have no idea how to fix it.

 

So you post a link of Germany doing what the Gestapo did .. how fitting. What group of selfish people are you referring to - The Obese - those with comorbidity - those with compromises immune system/pneumonia succeptibility ?

Are those the groups you wish to target .. and what is this risk to public health from these people - and risk to the economy.

You have a bunch of unsupported and unclarified claims here..

 

I hope you realize how ridiculous you look making comparisons to the Gestapo for Germany's government making a common sense decision to protect the public's health (and the economy) from reckless fools. But I'm sure you don't.

 

Either back up your nonsense claims .. or toddle off ..

1) What "Selfish Group" is causing public health risk - economic issues
2) what is the public health risk from this group that you want to target - demonize - and punish ?

 

Toddle off. That's the kind of dismissive thing one says when one is trying to come across as having a more highly informed opinion. Something you've proven time and again to be woefully lacking in. You'll have to pardon me for not wanting to engage in another debate with someone who doesn't accept the science underpinning the efficacy of masks and vaccines. Have a nice day.

 

"More informed Opinion" ? LOL says the fellow who refuses to back up his nonsense claims -- then runs off the playground crying unsupported insults

What "Selfish Group" is causing public health risk - economic issues - this group that you want to target - demonize - and punish some kind of authoritarian bliss ?

Whats wrong Mate .. cat got tongue ? Trump's got nothing on Biden in terms of Authoritarianism ..

 

Our president is chosen by multiple democratic elections. Our legislators are chosen by democratic elections. If you don't like the word, then here, I'll make an adjustment for you. He tried to overthrow multiple democratic elections and steal the presidency.

 

Realistically speaking, the virus came to the US first, before being spread to our North American neighboring countries. We had the first case, the first death, and the first widespread breakout of COVID among the North American countries. That's not my personal opinion, The US reached over 500,000 cases before Mexico reached 5,000 cases. At that time Canada had just hit 22,000 cases

Yet what we were told was that the virus had been contained, and that the travel ban from China worked. To quote Trump directly “This came unexpectedly, it came out of China, we closed it down, we stopped it, it was a very early shut down, I would still argue to you that this thing is contained”. Note that this claim stood in complete contrast to what our medical experts were cautioning the public on the outbreak. This was not a matter of the president being given bad information

The idea that the virus was stopped or contained by any previous policy isn't just inaccurate, but stands in complete contrast to reality. The day Trump left office we had over 4,000 deaths in a single day, yet in August of 2021 he claimed "when I left it was virtually gone. It was over"

Which again is not only inaccurate, but in complete contrast to reality. Not only was it not over, but December 2020 and January 2021 are still our deadliest months of the pandemic to date. The pandemic wasn't just ongoing, but it was at its peak...it was literally the exact opposite of being over.

I'm sorry, but someone with that level of dishonesty and disconnection to the reality of the problem should not be left in charge of fixing said problem. It is irrational to an immoderate proportion

 

I think you need to widen your perspective. While I'm 100% in favor of politicians telling me the truth- even if it's "we don't know"- that doesn't happen in the real world. People want to hear what they want to hear; they invite reassurance without solid foundation- and in many cases, a politician who tells people like it is will be punished for doing so. Thus people have a lot to do with the amount of pandering they get. Then there's the question of what the politician can know. Between this being a novel virus and the science people playing the games all along the way- I suspect that a president also gets told what they want to hear, or in case of mixed messages and opinion, chooses the one most helpful to their position.

For every million people critical and ranting about this or that problem in government, how many do you see proposing actual solutions?
They are all waiting for somebody else to fix their world. In the meantime, they bitch and blame everyone except themselves.

 

Trump was by far the superior president.

IT’S DIFFERENT NOW BECAUSE SHUT UP: Biden Administration to Restart Trump’s ‘Remain in Mexico’ Policy.

All Demented Biden had to do was shut up and continue Trump's policies and he could be crowing about a wildly successful presidency.

Of course Dementia Joe is too stupid to do this on his own. He has to be ordered to:

It was so nice when we had a president with an actual working brain.

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Good reply though.