Can the police protect you from crime

Often when the subject of having guns I see liberals say its the polices job to protect you and you don't need a gun.
Yes the same liberals who want to de fund the police and chanted they wanted dead cops.
The police cant protect you 24 /7/ 365 days a week . Most of the time they are called when a crime has already happened to clean up the mess and investigate the crime .
Its rare for them to actually stop a crime such as a rape and assault or home invasion.
Often calling for the meat wagon to take people to the morgue or a ambulance to take you to the Er.

 

One of the biggest fallacies the libs push. In Detroit about 12 years ago the then new police chief was asked by a reporter how citizens can be better protected as it was common knowledge that police respond time was generally 20-30 minutes and many times it took hours, sometimes they didn’t show for a day and only then just to fill out a report. This being one of the country’s most violent city’s for decades. The chief said the best way for citizens to be protected right now is to buy a gun and learn proper handling. The chief said buy a gun. This being one of the country’s most liberal bastions of anti 2A.

 

Law enforcement officers are not in the business of protecting citizens from crimes.

 

What is your source for this statement?

 

I have seen many liberals call for no private ownership and seen it on forums especially when anti gun types are talking .
Now all liberals do not feel this way but some do.

 

See it enough with my own eyes on various forums and heard it on news and in person.

 

I have also, there's a lot of liberals who don't believe in private hand gun owner ship, even our president said all you need is a double barreled shot gun.
And lots of liberals don't like the police even chanting we want dead cops, granted its no where near a majority just Minority , but they do exist and there are more of them then then people think .

 

Democrat politicians support strict gun control. California does not allow private citizens to open carry and places like Los Angeles doesn't issue CCWs to ordinary citizens. Only cops, judges, and criminals carry guns here.

 

try getting a gun permit in nyc

 

Yes but their ability to do so is limited.

 

First of all, you seem to be enjoying yourself at this forum and I'm glad you are. Keep it up.

Now, to the topic at hand.
I don't think that any rational person, liberal or conservative, really thinks that the police can protect you against a home invasion, burglary, assault etc unless you live above a police station.

The difference is in the way people think about their likelihood of being a victim and the degree to which they prepare in case they become a victim.

It is at least the perception that people referred to as "liberals" are less likely to be armed and are more content to rely on 911. It is at least my opinion that 911 just gives people a false sense of security.

I imagine that there are even people called "conservatives" who answer each ring of the doorbell in full battle rattle but that's not me either.

I live in a rural area where it would take our well intentioned LEOs at least 15 minutes to respond to a 911 call so I feel it is my responsibility to protect those who trust me to do so.

So, do I expect the police to protect me? As much as I believe they would try, I still had to answer: "Of course not"

 

Yes because everyone carrying a gun means they’re not going to shoot each other with them. Once again, why do gang members shoot each other if gang members all have guns?

 

more guns equal more gun deaths, but there is good and bad for everything, and a time and place for everything

what one needs to ask themselves is, if I buy a gun, am I more likely to harm myself or my family..... or protect myself and\or my family

 

He (the Chief) is correct; go out and buy a double barrel shotgun. Good protection for the family.

 

That's one state you are talking about; in NY you can get a permit for a full carry concealed just about anywhere in the state except NYC which is a bit tougher. Anyone can own a shotgun with no permit required.

 

Police tend to provide great protection. They just cant be everywhere at once. When they're not around, we have to fend for ourselves until they come around.

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

 

I was legit interested in your poll until I saw the choices. This really belongs in the humor forum.

 

Except in the case of armed guards surrounding a person or building, police rarely "protect" people. What they mainly do is remove bad people from the population (either by taking them into custody or shooting them).

So it depends exactly what one means by "protect". Yes, in a sense, removing bad people from society and punishing people can be seen as a form of "protection".

Many people seem to have this naive notion that police somehow stop crimes from taking place.

No, a police officer is not following a woman down a dark alley, ready to stand beside her and beat up a rapist before he can rape her. No, police almost never know that murders are going to take place before they actually happen.

Sometimes police can show up to a dispute a break it up before it escalates and gets worse, but these type of situations are usually not the worst type of situations.
Police response times can also vary widely in different situations. Ranging from 5 minutes, to sometimes hours. In some areas it is not unlikely that police may not even show up at all.

 

Here's the problem with the gun argument - too many people see guns as a talisman against bad things happening and have this odd
Hollywood romantic attitude toward them.

First- I'm going to say that I support the right to own guns and have owned them my entire adult life.

But ...

I worked documenting crime scenes for 9 years. During that time, I worked a number of suicides by guns, domestic partner shootings and two
very sad accidental shootings. I only worked one actual home defense shooting.

So when I read all the romanticized posts about guns for protection, I can only view them through the jaundiced eye of someone who has seen
the reality of their more common use. So yes, I support the ownership of guns, but let's stop with the Hollywood crap.

 

I'm meh on the topic, myself. I have had a couple dozen-ish encounters with the police in my life, and all but one was positive, despite a negative situation that required police. The one negative experience, though; if I weren't a white woman in a white neighborhood? I'd have been ****ed. This guy wanted to write me up for something and the longer he looked, the more anxious/upset he got about justifying the unjustifiable stop. He literally screamed at me to leave, once he knew the stop was completely invalid, and told me to fix it. (Nothing was broken.)

If the police want to be held in a higher regard, they have to be willing to be held to a higher standard.

Have you ever told your kids that getting more freedom comes with accepting more responsibility? Yeah, like that.

I legit had a conversation about a month/two ago, with a gun rights supporter on this forum, who told me no knock warrants are completely constitutional, and if they come into your home in error, you have no right to use your legal gun to defend yourself, even if they don't announce who they are. If you get shot in the process, that's your fault for bringing out a firearm against the police.

Some want the citizenry in a constant state of lose/lose, against those who wear uniforms.

 

They are only a deterrent.

 

Police have no obligation or duty to protect anyone but themselves, per supreme court ruling.

The poll asks 'can they?'. Yes, they can, if they're in the right place at the right time to intervene, and they choose to. But they are not legally obligated to.

 

Exactly. I used the example to show how Democrats have infringed on second amendment rights. Like in NYC and SF, Los Angeles is where only cops, judges, and criminals carry guns.


Liberal politicians enjoy the luxury of armed security while telling the rest of us we don't need a gun.

 

Just like guns

 

Police are only a deterrent because they aren't on the scene. Guns are on the scene so they are than a deterrent.