Can the police protect you from crime

Between the heft and the black powder, there's really no kick either. And I guess you can always load another cylinder and swap it out *relatively* quickly if you need to.

I appreciate that. That's completely new to me. I could get the idea of how to make the bullets, but I always wondered how people went around making the caps.

Sounds awesome! I'm not one of those "the world will end soon" types, but I like being self sufficient. Never hurts to be prepared. I don't buy coffee or tea anymore these days. I just forage yaupon.

I *think* it was a 36. Definitely not 44. I'd have to look it up. I got it for a good price used at a pawn shop when I was getting rid of a Saiga that I hated shooting. The terminology escapes me, but that clip that you have to punch out in order to remove the cylinder? That thing was a pain in the ass to deal with. And the first time I did it I didn't use a rubber mallet and I scratched the gun.

I can see that. I actually have a Nagant that I took apart and couldn't get the bolt back together. I'm sure it isn't rocket science, and I'll get it back together eventually, but it only cost me like 60 bucks in the first place and it smells like rotten ass, so I'll need to find some ambition at some point.

 

No where near 1/3 of gun owners have used their guns in self-defense.

 

I believe you are correct about the Navy caliber.

I had a colt clone in 44 caliber that is also that same design where you have to knock the wedge out. I traded it off for something different.

I much prefer the Remington clone design that has a solid frame in the gun doesn't have to be halfway disassembled just to load.

I believe it was indeed Samuel Colt that designed that particular revolver. Sammy boy I love you but I think Remington Trumped you there.

If you're interested in all things black powder Dixie gun works is a great business. That's where I saw that cap punching device. I haven't gotten one but I probably will just to have it on hand.

I've got close to 4 lb of powder and I rarely shoot it so I figure I probably got a lifetime supply.

Plus they make all of these modern muzzleloading equivalents such as pyrodex, hodgkins triple 7 and others.

But I much prefer the real black powder. I think there's a certain bass to it that the other powders lack.

 

About 1/3 report using their gun in self defense.

I have twice. The first time, I was 9 and my mother and I were home alone. Rival gangs had a conflict that bled onto our property. They were right outside our door. My mom and I sat in the dark listening to shouting, fighting, and some gunshots. Another sound I remember was the ring tone of the police never answering my call. Luckily, they did not come into the home looking for a hostage for when the police came, but at age 9, I could out shoot most police officers. (Not a high bar)

Another time, I said the wrong thing to a classmate that had a brother in a well known LA gang. A group of gang members came to my house to teach me a lesson. They came to my window and told me to "come out and play". I will never forget the look on one face when he used his hands to block the light so he could see in my window. He saw me holding my rifle, so they dispersed.

People think that self defense means pulling it out and shooting someone. It doesn't. The mere fact that people carry guns is a deterrent.

Anyone old enough to remember Katrina should know better than to depend on government when it comes to their life.

 

It feels like you're trying to change the subject to the COVID virus.

If I understood you correctly, you suggested that those who chose to be armed are living in "constant fear" as if having the means to defend your loved ones and yourself is somehow an irrational obsession.

I am only pointing out 2 other commonly used items that can make your life safer and more secure.

Do you think that people who own, enjoy and remain proficient with firearms are somehow irrational or do you think that relying on firearms to defend yourself is foolish?

Thanks,

 

Why do you carry a gun that might ask?
Because they fit in your pocket a lot easier than a cop.

 

Almost everyone I know is a gun owner, as am I. I do like hunting.

None of us have ever used a gun in self defense. I lived and worked in downtown Memphis for several years. Never armed myself. Only crime I was a victim of was once when all the cars in a parking lot got broken into.

 

I believe that the risk created by having a firearm in your home is greater than the risk of a home invasion. I say that as someone with several firearms, but I do not believe that having them makes me safer.

 

Im glad to hear it. I life in Los Angeles, so I cannot legally carry a gun. Only cops and criminals carry them here.

https://americangunfacts.com/guns-u...=A 2021 survey2 estimated,as 65,000 (in 1992).

 

You're right.

As many people who like to target shoot have found out, finding a place to shoot is getting harder and harder to find.

I've got a target range next to my blacksmith shop but it's only 100 yards.

It's still a relaxing way to spend a few hours with friends shooting at everything from paper to Tannerite®

 

And owning a pool increases your risk of drowning....

I keep a close eye on my gun but so far it doesn't do anything but just sit there

 

I'm fortunate I have a friend right down the road.

Is blacksmithing your hobby or do you make a living at it?

My father is a farrier, he used to keep a coal fired forge in the truck when I was a kid.

I fabricating weld custom bicycles and human power equipment..


Been too long since I made anything I need to make something

 

Yea, not sure why you thought the analogy was relevant. At least you agree that having a gun in your home creates a risk. That’s progress.

 

And there are tens if not hundreds of millions of Americans who own guns who never have a single incident in the home.

Having anything statistically increases your chances. Having a car statistically increases the chances that you'll get in an accident in this case I think you would argue a far greater chance of an accident with the car than with a gun.

If you feel so strongly about it you should probably sell yours to someone who's more comfortable with them.

 

That's not a fair comparison. By definition, people that belong to gangs commit crimes. Criminals, of all types, don't care about the rules.

I'm not an advocate for everyone that wants a gun should have one but it's unrealistic to think the police can PREVENT crime. They can't. They usually can't even get involved until a crime has been committed.

 

Why do you think I’m uncomfortable.

Im just pointing out that the risk of a home invasion is very low.

I feel it is lower than the risk introduced by Keeping a firearm.

 

I feel like you would need some unbiased actual statistics from a government source to back up that feeling

 

This is a very key point. The people that have bravado from carrying a weapon aren't the people that need to have weapons.

Those of us trained to use them always choose diffusion first unless it's absolutely necessary to use lethal force to save one's or someone else's life. "Good guys" with guns don't usually help strangers so that's just a talking point against those against 2A.

 

I don’t. I’m fine with that feeling.

 

Okay then we'll chalk it up to unverified claims and round file it...

 

Well, that very much depends where you live, doesn't it?

A lot of people are not so fortunate to live in a "good neighborhood".

 

I lived in downtown Memphis for years.

 

Yea that's fine. it's like the claim a few posts back that 1/3 of gun owners have used their guns in self-defense.

 

Don't you think that the risks of having a firearm in the home and the risks of a home invasion depends on one's circumstances?

For example, a household with just 2 mature adults in a "nice" neighborhood is far less likely to have a firearm related accident or home invasion than a household with hyperactive, young children in a rough neighborhood.

Additionally, a household with well disciplined children and gun safes has much less chance of a gun related accident than one with poorly disciplined children and no gun safes.

I used to live in what was considered a rough neighborhood. The two girls living next door experienced a home invasion at about 3AM after their phone lines had been cut. This was before cell phones were so popular.
Anyway, I heard the screams, grabbed an AR-15, rushed next door and the home invaders decided to leave. My wife tried to call 911 during all of this but no one answered (It happens [1]).

Finally, everyone forms their opinions about guns based on past experiences and because of numerous incidents, the opinions I've formed about the necessity of having a firearms are different than yours.

I simply feel like since there is no Right or Wrong answer, each person has to chose what is suitable for their own situation. I wish you luck with yours.



[1]. "911 dispatcher hung up on thousands of calls because she didn't feel like talking"

 

A gun in a safe isn't that useful during a home invasion.

If you live in a poor neighborhood, you aren't likely to be able to afford a gun safe.

Carrying a weapon around with you all the time because you fear being attacked, means it isn't in a safe.

Most of the people talking about keeping firearms to prevent a home invasion aren't people living in poor crime ridden neighborhoods.