Can the police protect you from crime

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can the police protect you

  1. Joe and harris got it under control

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  2. I dont know

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  3. go brandon go

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  4. of course not

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  5. Yea sure they can

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  6. were each responsible for our own safety

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  7. Just shoot a shot gun in the air like brandon said it will be all right

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  1. Kranes56

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    I see what you did there too. See what we know is that guns are almost never used for self defense. More likely they’re used for things like sexual assault. How do you think those rapes and abuse happen? Because they have access to a firearm. Th “slip of the hand” is to point out guns enable criminals. Guns let loose gang violence. Guns enable sexual assault. I don’t want people to have guns because an abuser will often present themselves as a good guy with a gun while he beats his wife at home.

    Why would anyone want the barricades to go up? We know how that will end. And yeah. I kinda don’t want other people to have access to weapons. Because when they bring the guns out it increases the risk of death for both the cop and people they’re supposed to protect. Why do you think so many cops have gotten off the hook for saying “I thought they had a gun”?
     
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    That is exactly what they are talking about.

    So you are just turned off by the notion that it's possible that abuse of force might impact black people more often that white people?
     
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    By capturing and removing bad guys from the equation, our safety is increased. But there is no guarantee. So we also have a responsibility in the matter, to not only protect ourselves, but to conduct ourselves in an upright manner for the general peace and tranquility of society.
     
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    Ok 2 armed men break into your house with a knife and a baseball bat . One said left mess up the mam then rape the woman you have seconds to react what do you do ?
    Me 8 shoot them with my night stand gun which is on top or grab my 12 g. Did you know over 1 mil people in the usa defend them self with a gun a year
     
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    I don't live in constant fear of someone breaking into my home and raping my family.
     
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    Please qualify your statement. (In bold) Nothing in your post addresses my position. Government is by far the leader in mass murder and unarmed people, are the vast majority of their victims. Logical fallacies do not make an argument. Guns to not make people violent. (I have an extensive collection and have never raised an angry hand in my life)

    So far, your only position is that people like me should be denied second amendment rights because of the actions of others.

    Defending ones family is out of love, not fear.
     
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    So do people wear masks out of love or fear?
     
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    Even though I don't agree with all of your Post I have given it some thought as friends, family and trusted workmen come and go through out the day.

    My wife and I live in a big, rambling old farmhouse that seems to be in a constant state of renovation.

    At the same time, we're putting on an addition for her mother who also comes and goes just like her sisters and our nieces and nephews.

    To top things off, my hearing is awful and I frequently ignore my barking dogs so, at least in my case, you're right.

    If someone really wanted to they could easily walk right in, put a bullet in my head, fix a sandwich, eat it and walk right out.

    Perhaps the two things that make that unlikely are my conspicuous target range by my blacksmith shop and the fact that the only people who hate me that much are now dead .......... I think.

    Now, do you have any crazed and murderous enemies lurking in the bushes somewhere?

    Enjoy your day,
     
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    If you want to know what I think, just ask and I will tell you. Making claims that require mind reading abilities only diminishes your credibility.

    My mother was a victim of police brutality. As a teen, I had a cop threaten to knock my teeth out with a club if I didnt "squeel" on my friend.

    I took my kids to a BLM demonstration at a local park. The speaker stood up in front of the crowd and the first words out of her mouth were "What the hell are all these white people doing here?" We left.

    I took my kids to a city council meeting and the cops appeared to be more concerned about police brutality than BLM. Cops overwhelmingly support armed citizens. The truth is that more unarmed white people are shot by police than black people. I anticipate you trying to use percentage of population to sell the narrative, but the number of cops is a constant.

    I strongly oppose laws that make cops the only ones carrying guns.
     
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    Neither. It is out of gullibility. We have 2 years of data showing how ineffective they are. Now, there is a new variant called the BA2. (The sound sheep make) BA BA!
     
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    Um, what are you talking about? it WAS a question. i did ask. How about not getting so defensive that you don't read what is written?

    Yea, the person who asked what all the white people were doing there shouldn't be allowed to speak. I've never had anyone say anything like that at any event i've went to. I'm white, BTW, just to clarify.
     
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    So are people who are always armed for a threat that they have less than a 1% chance of facing gullible?

    Are they gullible if they carry a gun, even though guns aren't 100% effective at deterring criminals?
     
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    I dont either but it happens . . There are over 1 million home break-ins a year in the usa and about 450,000 rapes.
     
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    do you ?
     
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    I will simply point out that when police have responded, iliberals are just as likely to criticize and then try to prosecute police for having responded, even though those cops where there to, for example, defend a woman who was being sexually assaulted by her ex husband who was also trying to take the kids in violation of both an active restraining order and divorce decree.... And when dude pulls a knife on cops, and they subdue him by shooting him, we have lefty sponsored riots, arson, etc. Liberals let folks out of jail, post bond for violent criminals in the hope that what happens? They kill more people while they aren't in custody? Is this really the goal of defund police, or eliminate cash bail, or celebrity bail funds?

    And here's a real head scratcher, if you donated to a bail fund, and that bail fund gets a criminal out of jail, and they kill someone, are you as a donor to that fund liable as an accomplice to that murder? Makes sense to me that you would be. And those folks who have who donated need to be held civil liable for their donations that lead to more murders, robberies, etc.
     
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    I don't live in "constant fear" of getting a flat tire or a house fire but I still have a spare tire and smoke detectors.

    Choosing to be armed and proficient with a firearm is not about fear. It's about being prepared so that when life goes sideways you're not at the mercy of psychopaths.
     
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    And another good reason don't forget, they're just plain fun to shoot...... For clarification when I say they're fun to shoot I mean the guns.

    I would not want my post to be construed as advocating violence in any way.
     
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    When my wife and I first started dating, I took her to the range. She started off with single-action Heritage Arms .22 I got her for Christmas, but later she wanted to try my .357. I loaded the first five shots with .38 and the last one with actual .357 magnum (I warned her about this . . . didn't do it as a prank like I sometimes do with my friends). She was terrified. For about 5 minutes. After that, she was begging to shoot again.

    Her direct quote: "Why didn't I do this when I was in grad school? This is awesome!"
     
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    So it's like wearing a mask then.
     
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    No wearing a political symbol of obedience after 2 years of data showing they are ineffective are gullible. In some cases, people do wear a mask out of respect for others so they feel safe. My issue is with mandates and government abuse of power.

    People that believe that gun laws apply to criminals and gang members are gullible. When it comes to my family, I find it unacceptable to depend on government. About 1/3 of gun owners report they used their gun in self defense.

    I am not telling you not to wear a mask or carry a gun.


    Just clearing up what the question inferred.
     
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    I know it's a blast right?

    I find bullet casting to be a relaxing hobby. In fact I just got done casting 35 round lead ball for my 44 cap and ball, muzzle loading revolver.

    The lead came from old water pipes, one would hope drain pipes. I cut it up with garden loppers.

    The mold is .451 to be precise in its measurement and I believe the lead ball it cast is 135 grain.

    And assembled around it is the things you will need at a bare minimum to cast lead bullets. I always do It outdoors because the fumes needless to say are quite toxic to breathe. I use the pliers to handle any scrap of lead because I just assume it's all hot.

    I dropped the freshly cast lead ball on to the cardboard so the concrete doesn't potentially mar it as it's still hot. I use the long lag bolt to remove dross from the top of the melt pot.

    And in case anyone wonders yes my gun is 100% legal. Took me about 45 minutes. As long as you take care of your mold and don't let it rust up you've got bullets for a lifetime IMG_20220303_162226_3.jpg
     
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    I ****ing love shooting cap and ball! I'm still kicking myself for selling the Uberti Navy I had. It was always hilarious to head out the outdoor range and see the look on people's faces when they saw the plume of smoke. Never did any casting, but I'm sure that's in the cards for me in the future.
     
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    Close up of the mold.
    IMG_20220303_162235_4.jpg
     
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    Hey it might take you 10 minutes to load it but when you do you have six shots of Big bore single action ready to go.

    They sell a device that can punch number 11 percussion caps from a beer can. You can make your own priming mix but I think it best I don't detail that here. Suffice it to say you can use common readily available goods.

    And if you really needed to you could always make your own black powder, which is of course completely legal. So with the percussion cap maker and some priming mix, you could conceivably have everything you need to be totally self-sustained for life.

    I've never got so involved into it as to make my own black powder as it's easy enough to just fork over 30 bucks a pound. I think there is close to 500 shots in a pound if it's a 27 grain load.

    And I might only shoot it once or twice a year, go out to my friend's house on private property in the woods.

    About 7 years ago I took a wild hog with a cap and ball from about 80 ft.

    Mine is a pietta. I would not mind the same gun made by uberti in 44 caliber but I'm not going to fork over 5 or 600 bucks for it.

    I believe the Navy is 32 caliber right? If I remember correctly anyways.

    But man are they a pain in the butt to clean correctly. To really get it clean you would like to take a nipple wrench and remove all of the nipples.

    And then to really get it super clean you would need to disassemble it but I've never taken it down that far because I'm afraid I wouldn't get it back together
     
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