Should Women Who NEVER Want Children Remain Abstinent Forever?

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Should Women Who Never Want Children Remain Abstinent?

  1. Pro choice - yes, she should

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  2. Pro choice - no, she should not

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  3. Pro life - yes, she should

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  4. Pro life - no, she should not

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  1. Pixie

    Pixie Well-Known Member

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    I never rely on children to look after me.
    If they want to do me some favours, fine.
    And indeed not having children can both relieve taxpayers social services and help solve the population crisis.
    A win win decision.
     
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    What population crisis?
     
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    What planet do you live on?
     
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    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Childfree. And lots of men would as they know they will not be forced to pay child support.
     
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    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Mysogynists are coming out of the woodwork.
     
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    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Put a dress on and go to a doctor and tell him/her that you don't have children and want to get sterilized. Report back on the response you get.
     
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    ...and trying to ban abortion...
     
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    You mean anti-abortionists, right?
     
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    To get cake. :)
     
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    it's natural to die from infections without medical treatment too, but must choose antibiotics

    guns are not our natural defense either, should we ban them

    religion is not natural either, it's taught
     
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    morals are natural.. they come from well socialized individuals I believe thw Left has created generations of sociopaths and pychopaths (they destroyed many families and took God out of the classroom so Satan could fill the vacuum)
     
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    it's not natural to need a belief in a God to be moral - but if one needs such a crutch, it's ok

    Christians took God out of the classroom due to infighting among Christians, Atheists did not have that power to do so back then
     
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    The assumption in the opening post is ridiculous.

    I think it also greatly conflates the scenario of having children through casual sex with having children within a committed relationship... which are two very different things.

    Such a statement seems to almost insinuate none of these women are having that sex within committed relationships that could welcome a child.

    But... If a woman is absolutely sure she doesn't want children, there is the option of tubal ligation. (Which is probably better than her having five abortions)
     
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    You should take a gander at the forums for asexual people. The comments are HILARIOUS. You would think people think asexual people come from a different planet. It's so bizarre how so many people worry about other people's sex lives. I don't get that at all.
     
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    Why?

    It's up to the woman to determine which is better for her..
     
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    If she doesn't want a child it's not so different. If she doesn't want a child, a committed relationship wouldn't welcome one. A committed relationship also isn't the only way to ensure adequate resources/social support to raise a child.

    It's a surgical procedure. She can weigh the pros and cons for herself. Plenty of options for her to choose from such as IUD as well. Relying on abortion sounds inconvenient, but it's fine if she wants that since the embryo is not a person.
     
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    Oh, what a very different view "Pro-choicers" have from Pro-lifers.

    This is entirely normal (or used to be entirely normal) for a woman. You get married, have a few kids, use birth control if you want to try to space those kids out more... and then finally maybe get your tubes tied when you are done having kids and don't want any more.

    If a man refuses to be willing to raise kids with you, he probably doesn't really love you.

    Finally one last option is for a woman to try to search out for a man who has had a vasectomy.
    Or she can satisfy her husband in other ways that don't involve the risk of pregnancy, during the early part of the marriage.

    She has plenty of choices without resorting to abortion.
     
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    UH, her own sexual needs have to be satisfied , TOO.
    She does not have a "job" that requires "satisfying husband"..




    LOL, yes, CHOICES...that means she chooses what SHE wants (which may include a legal medical procedure called abortion)...not what YOU think she should "choose".
     
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    Other than the embryo not being a person and not having rights, unsure what you mean since you don't seem to mean that.

    I don't think normal matters. Normal changes by culture and technology. Normal in ancient times was for many women to die in childbirth, sometimes after having many kids already because people have sex and reliable birth control wasn't a thing. Screw normal.

    What you describe is an option, but not one that all people, men or women, want.

    Whoa I don't know about that. The decision to have kids is a huge deal and could definitely be a factor that breaks up people who actually do love each other. That's one reason it's something that ought to be brought up early in dating - sometimes before you even meet in the case of online dating - because you wouldn't want to fall for somebody who has an incompatible plan for their life with yours. Loving somebody doesn't mean sacrificing the core of your life plan to be with them necessarily. Raising kids is something most people, but not all people, ultimately want to do. For context, I am a man with three young children and married to their mom.

    I suppose that would be a plus for them, but there's enough other dealbreakers to worry about.

    Abortion isn't a bad thing though. That's the key. And her satisfaction matters as much as his and in most cases that involves sex for both parties.
     
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    Morals are natural to lefties(who also know about English/grammar/writing correctly, etc.)

    ..... they come from well socialized individuals like the Left .

    But the right has created generations of sociopaths and pychopaths (they destroyed many families and took God out of the classroom so Satan could fill the vacuum and become President Trump.)
     
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    Oh yes.

    Thankfully it is now up to her herself ake her own choices to build herself the life she desires. This was not always the case and certainly would not be in the Conservative Utopia.

    Furthermore, it is highly unlikely tgat Antiabortionistan would approve of birth control, vasectomies and "tube tying".

    And then she somehow has a duty to birth and raise his kids? Pfft. Move to Arabia already.

    Aaaaw, it so sweet how much (cough) you care about women.

    Oooor she and him can enjoy themselves and bang as much they want.

    How many times do I have to tell you to stay out of her bedroom? :)

    And abortion is one of these choices.
     
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    Kicking God out of the classrooms was a major achievement in human history that paved the way to a much happier life on Earth.
     
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    Unfortunately she is building her life on the crushed rubble of someone else's life, or lives.
     
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    For those lucky enough to be granted the right to life.
     
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    I believe it's called a vibrator.

    And people like you wonder why marriages don't seem to last.

    You know it's attitudes like that which end up causing abortions to be "required".
     
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