Two Juveniles Killed <<Moderator's Warning Issued>>

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I support the 2nd, so I do not believe ex-felons that have done their sentence should be denied their constitutional rights

    I think owning a gun is a right, not a privilege

    if you have to have the privilege to have the right... then it's no longer a right... it's a privilege masquerading as a right
     
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  2. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    well if you say so, it must be true
     
  3. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Your beliefs and your opinion are completely irrelevant. The actual laws are what matters.
     
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    Correct. Owning a gun is a RIGHT. Driving a care is a PRIVILEGE. It's cool to see Leftists like you share that factoid.
     
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  5. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm sure those shooters where destined to be highly contributing members of society.

    A bunch of underage kids renting an air-b to throw a house party with alcohol and apparently guns.

    Blame the guns! Blame the guns?

    Where are the parents that have been absent to the point these thugs think it's OK to shoot up an illegal party?

    We have a culture problem, not a gun problem.
     
  6. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ah, so you don't support the 2nd?

    laws violate the constitution from time to time, is that right?
     
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  7. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You don't agree with eliminating people that walk into a party shooting innocent people? And you want to blame the weapon?

    What?

    That's like saying "I don't blame the guy that got drunk and killed a family driving, I blame the beer".
     
  8. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    where did they get the guns, were they the parent's guns, like with school shooters?
     
  9. Torus34

    Torus34 Well-Known Member

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    Hi, jcarliiesiu.

    Thank you for taking time to post a response.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.
     
  10. Par10

    Par10 Well-Known Member

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    more like American murder culture. Maybe we should run some ads telling people that murder is illegal. Some may not know.
     
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  11. Torus34

    Torus34 Well-Known Member

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    Hi again, jcarlilesiu.

    For your proposal to save lives in significant numbers, prescience at a level that h. sapiens has not yet achieved would be required. As for the drunk driver, if he/she didn't have access to a car . . .

    Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.
     
  12. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It would appear you desire to come to this forum, post your opinions, and then avoid addressing any retort to your ridiculous perspectives?

    If so, just let me know so I can put you on ignore.
     
  13. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    maybe put a warning label on new guns like with do cigarettes
     
  14. Torus34

    Torus34 Well-Known Member

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    Hi yet again, jcarlilesiu.

    As far as I can see, you are free to ignore whomever you wish.

    Thank you for taking time to post a response.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.
     
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    I am not as worried about getting shot as other ways to get killed....which are more prevalent than gun shots.
     
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    I would say the latter.
     
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  17. Torus34

    Torus34 Well-Known Member

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    Hi, doombug.

    A measured response to dangers, based upon their probability, is a sensible approach.

    Thank you for taking time to post a response.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.
     
  18. Seth Bullock

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    We can “eliminate” shooters by rigorous enforcement of our existing laws. A person who is doing time in jail or prison doesn’t have the opportunity to be a shooter.

    This is how we reduce shootings without affecting peaceful, law abiding citizens who are gun owners.
     
  19. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    we could do that by ending the war on drugs and arresting people for real crimes and giving them much longer sentences
     
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  20. Torus34

    Torus34 Well-Known Member

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    Hi, Seth Bullock.

    Many, perhaps a majority of the annual gun deaths in the US are suicides. I would be interested in how you would, if you could, apply your remedy to those deaths.

    Thank you for taking time to post a response.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.
     
  21. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My comments apply to gun crimes, not suicide. There are many ways to commit suicide, and if you’re determined to do it, you don’t need a gun.
     
  22. Torus34

    Torus34 Well-Known Member

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    Hi again, Seth Bullock.

    OK. Now that we have that corrected, a criminal who has shot someone with a gun is remanded to prison. How long a sentence is required to significantly reduce the probability that he/she will not again resort to using a gun? Have you any data on that?

    Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.
     
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    Nine Billion dead from fossil fuels when Earth's population is a bout 7.9 billion. Interesting.
     
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  24. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Statistics on prisoners show us an age percentage fall off starting at age 40. What this tells us is that the older a released convict is, the more unlikely it is that he will reoffend after he is released. So I would say if you criminally shoot someone, even if they live, you should do at least 20 years in prison.

    But we can also take criminals off the streets by rigorously punishing lesser crimes. Far too often we find out that these shooters are on parole or probation for lesser crimes. In those cases, those crimes and that loss of life shouldn’t have happened. So the softer we are on crime and punishment, the more murders we’re going to have.
     
  25. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    lol, sorry, it's 9,000,000. Typo. Thanks for pointing it out
     

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