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For one, disarming American citizens would undoubtedly involve a LOT of violence. Many, probably most gun owners will not willingly give up their firearms and will organize into armed resistance. That compounded with the already extreme instability we have in this country could easily tip us into civil war, where the body count would be a lot worse than 40,000. People will not throw away constitutional rights easily.

 

From our present laws? Lmao it’s legal to shoot people? We’re the guns legally owned? Why not call truths instead of lies that somehow our laws permit this.

 

Hi again, Josh 77.

I ask again, noting that the 40,000 deaths in 2022 are real, not hypothetical. Your response should carry a similar degree of demonstrable certainty.

Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.

 

Hi, Joe knows.

We have two things here. We have our present laws and their level of enforcement. We also have 40,000 quite real deaths from gunshot in 2022. Which is a lie?

Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.

 

The lie was that gun laws permit this. What new law would you like that supposedly would be the fix?

 

I love it. But, that's where you run in to problems. The left is going to immediately accuse you of wanting to implement child labor, using kids as slaves, etc. When my sister was teaching, she would have kids that got in trouble pick up small rocks on the playground and put them in a bucket (during recess). Lawyers put that to a stop pretty quick. People today have no consideration for other people. They don't care who has to clean up their mess. They think that when they riot, it doesn't hurt anyone when they burn down businesses, break windows, burn cars, etc. They think that "insurance will pay for it" because insurance is free in their mind.

So, until you can address the culture of having no personal responsibility, backed up by the government, there isn't much we can do.

 

Would you be the one going into South Chicago and asking the gang bangers to kindly hand over their guns? Maybe East LA would be more your style, or Oakland.

 

still waiting

 

No it shouldn't. Taking actions that would result in far more death is the height of stupidity.

More than half of those deaths were from suicide. I don't count those as something that should be fixed. Those are personal decisions that are not our business, unless you want to try to fix society as a whole. That leaves less than 20,000 that were actual murders from gun violence. That's pretty low compared to other forms of death in the US. The best way to prevent those deaths would have been for those involved to protect themselves with a firearm. So my solution is for everyone that feels the need to protect themselves from gun violence is to purchase a firearm and become proficient with it. It does not take much time or money to do, and is far more reliable than police officers could ever be.

That's my solution. What is yours?

 

There is no equivalence in comparing traffic infractions to shootings and murder.

 

Hi, Joe knows.

Thank you for your response. That was not what I wrote.

Stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.

 

Hi, Part10.

An amusing question.

Thank you for your response.

Stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.

 

Hi again, Josh77

Having people armed and able to protect themselves might stop some of the police shootings of un-armed men, and that's the truth.

Thank you for your response.

Stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.

 

Hi, for the last time on this thread.

Shootings and murder are, last I checked, major crimes. I thought you were discussing concentrating on minor crimes as a way to deter major crimes. Sorry to misunderstand..

Thank you for your response.

Stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.

 

The media always hypes up violence. Anything to get views.

I am not so much worried about ways people are getting killed. What I did was point out a massive flaw in the OP.

 

are you going to say anything of any real substance?

 

Hi again, Josh77.

I believe that 40,000 gunshot deaths in 2022 in the United States of America is something of real substance, and not to be brushed off lightly. I believe that trying to raise people's awareness of this is something of real substance. I believe that engaging people in meaningful conversation exploring ways to reduce the annual carnage from gunshot is something of real substance.

I stand ready to respond to those who believe otherwise.

Thank you for your question.

Stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.

 

In your op you blame the laws. So which law will stop it? Or are you going to just divert and run.

My first response to you was making fun of your claim that our laws allow this when murder is clearly illegal. I also called you a liar because our laws clearly don’t permit this. Then you chose to divert to problems that you won’t even give an example on how to fix. now you’re choosing to run because you know it’s not an issue of law, it’s an issue of culture which you and most people refuse to address.

 

How about some substance in how you would reduce deaths? I don't think you have contributed any ideas in that regard. All you have said is guns are bad. How would you reduce deaths in a way that won't lead to an uprising? People are not going to just turn in their guns.

 

I highly doubt it

 

Can you explain why someone would risk the penalty for committing murder, but would not risk the penalty for having illegal guns or bullets!

 

I think capital punishment needs a return. Public death penalties that are executed on the spot needs to start back up. The new start up needs to include the punishment of death for even attempted murder. I do think this would persuade a little less violence.

Here’s the deal though. The very same people who claim they want gun crimes to end and all these poor murdered people, support politicians who want to shorten the criminals sentences. They want early parol. They want them to have more power than the law enforcers.

Their hypocrisy is so damn unbelievable we know it’s not really about the murderers. What they truly want is a defenseless citizen. They don’t care about the murders.

 

I put him on my ignore list as a troll and spammer. Recommend doing the same.

 

So, we are going to eliminate cars too?

 

Hi, Joe knows.

I stated that the laws and their level of enforcement were unable to stop many gunshot deaths. That is not playing the blame game. It is a statement of fact which stands.

I shall not respond again to you on this thread.

Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.