simple question about the Biden weed pardon

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  1. Hotdogr

    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Has an article, or the administration claimed the majority of the 6500 affected had a simple possession charge as their only charge? If so, I would be interested to see it.
     
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    The ONLY convictions being pardoned are for simple possession.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63166964
     
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  3. James California

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    ~ Maybe ol' Joe is afraid his own son may be facing a Marijuana charge ... :headache:
     
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    If they are dealing a bit of pot, then fine by me. Time to stop the stupidity
     
  5. Curious Always

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    Cruise ports and federal parks as well.
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol. C’mon, James… you are better than this. Drug addiction isn’t funny.

    Also, this topic isn’t anymore related to Joe, than Trump’s younger children and the Obama girls were related to their presidencies.
     
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    Since the article has been quoted here, and says both:

    as well as:

    both the article, and the President, are certainly, at the very least, implying as strongly as humanly possible, that it is the case that 1) these 6500, roughly, have convictions "for simple possession," only; especially in light of the statement that
    2) the "pardons WILL make it easier for people to get," certain things, which are made more difficult, by having a criminal record. So logic demands the meaning of this statement to be that-- if you want to be
    really picky-- that at least some of those "people," have only the single charge.



    Also, you may be reading things too literally. That is, if one is convicted of robbing a bank, and there are numerous charges that all apply to that same overall act; but then the person is exonerated for that robbery, it is understood that not just the grand larceny charge, but any others, attendant to this main charge, would likewise be erased (if there is an exoneration in the case of the event, which had occasioned the prosecution). Put more simply, if you are expunging someone's "possession" charge, it is reasonable to presume that if one has a charge of possessing "drug paraphernalia," that was charged, of the same event, that other charge will be nullified, as well (even if this tiny detail is not specifically mentioned, in the announcement, for those who are going to so closely scrutinize every word, to make sure that every potential facet of the action, were detailed, in its particulars).
     
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    Me, too. How does his declaration affect state laws? What law (or edict) forces a state to release prisoners from their state prisons?

    As for him not really caring about this: I was just watching Bill Maher, and he joked that the old codger just sort of stumbled into it.

    I don't know your age, but my generation has been fighting for this for 60 freaking years. It's long overdue.
     
  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Any amount at all.

    https://www.flanarylawfirm.com/marijuana-defense/federal-marijuana-charges/

    Hopefully the Republicans will double down on their dickism here. If they do this, they may guarantee the end of the GOP even better than the SCOTUS already has.

    I
     
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    States are not barred from regulating (or restricting) the trade of certain goods ...tho doing so is nonetheless folly. Only those prosecuted under federal law are pardonned. So, like, in national parks or perhaps charged by the DEA or something. Most of the nonviolent drug offenders currently incarcerated are under state or local jurisdiction and not subject to a federal pardon.
     
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    Of course they are going to imply that. It's politically profitable for them to do so. Political profit is the whole reason for Biden's administration having done this, after all. I fully expect to see some anecdotal examples in the coming days of single-charge beneficiaries being trotted out to imply that their example is representative of the whole. Because... well... politics.

    I just find it difficult to believe that federal police are charging many people with just simple possession. More likely, it would be an add-on charge. For instance, if in your bank robber example, he has a joint in his pocket when he's arrested, and catches a possession charge too. Expunging that simple possession charge alone would not be beneficial to him in almost any way. Certainly, if his criminal record was pulled for an employment application, the lack of simple possession amongst the other charges would probably not make much of a difference for him.

    Another poster pointed out that possession on federal property is a federal charge. Perhaps some (many?) of the 6500 picked it up that way? Could be. Probably not possible to know for sure. I just find it difficult to believe federal agents are spending much effort busting pot smokers, when they've done nothing else wrong.
     
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    huh? biden can just think it and its legal. we're the guys that think this "unitary executive" is bs.

    "i have article 2 that says i can do anything i want" trump
     
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    Yea… here is the president saying just that…
     
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    Certain states, like California, has made simple possesion similar to a traffic ticket instead of a arrestable misdemeanor. But what President Biden is doing is taking a hard look at our drug laws and offereing federal pardons for simple possesion, which is not that many. GOP, as always, are overreacting, like Texas Gov Greg Abbott, in his statement. the pardon is for those who have been convicted and served their sentence or are currently serving, while all of them still being alive to this day,. The question is what other crimes, state or federal, have each individual committed would probably vary greatly.
     
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    I can't believe this thread has gone on for 4 pages.
     
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    HE REQUESTED THE STATES FOLLOW HIS LEAD..........................he is trying to lead from behind.
     
  17. Curious Always

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    This is not a valid reply to what I wrote.

    I’ve no issue with what Biden did. It’s about time. People who think MJ is dangerous are out of the loop.
     
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    Times have changed. But there was a period, during both our war on drugs, and after the Crime Bill (which I realize, Biden had championed) and all the "3 strikes," laws & so forth, when the judicial system was throwing the book at pot smokers, at least the black ones. That you find this hard to believe, only suggests that you grew up in a white suburban area, and not a rural, black one, in which you were aware of the circumstances of those around you.

    BTW, I am sure there are still particular judges, who haven't updated their views on pot, and who never will. And as long as the law allows for stiff penalties, those judges will use their discretion, to hand them out.
     
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    So Biden does more than any other President on this issue-- showing that he does have common sense & political savvy, not to mention, guts-- and you can only complain? I guess that means, based on your assessment of Biden, you don't think that Reagan, and both Bush Presidents, and Trump, had a brain cell, between all four of them?



    This is your brain, on partisanship.
     
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    Someone hasn't done their homework.
     
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    And most of us agree about the OP... 1584414800.2885-smiley.gif
     
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    I don't believe the Prez can blanket pardon future offenders.
     
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    K. President can pardon anyone convicted of a crime, for any reason, at any time.
     
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    ~ There is nothing funny about how Hunter Biden’s awful parents use their own drug-addicted son as a prop in sham foreign business in order to money laundry and move cash around to benefit the family cabal. Jill Biden should get 'Worst Mother/Wife of the Year ' award. Instead she likely will be on the cover of magazines and have a regular spot on 'The View' ...
    America should be ashamed of itself ... :bleh:
     
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    Pardon today for a crime next week?
     

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