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simple question about the Biden weed pardon

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Darthcervantes, Oct 7, 2022.

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  1. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe it still is not LEGAL everywhere in USA, is that correct?
    So in places where it is not legal, what do they do? Do they charge them? are they pre-pardoned?
    I'm just curious how that would work.
     
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    straight ahead Well-Known Member

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    Biden did this for votes. He doesn't give a **** what really happens.
     
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  3. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know. and I think it was a smart move. I have voted (when I was younger) based solely on weed (not proud of it but its true)
    like i said, smart move for biden

    I still would like to know the answer to my question though.
     
    Darthcervantes, Oct 7, 2022
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    His pardon only applied to federal convictions. Localities can make up their own minds. Since it only applies to federal convictions it would have no effect on local or state convictions.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh! People got FEDERAL charges for weed? Like if they had a dimebag on them the feds went after them? I guess i need to research this more because ME CONFUSED
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are ZERO people in federal prison for simple possession. No one benefits, and nothing has changed as far as I can tell. It's just a play for votes in November.
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The 6,500 people who will be released from federal prison do not believe this is a stunt. I'm quite happy for them, and am happy that someone did this. I care not that it's a good political move.
     
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    That could be said about ANY presidents decisions.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Biden thinks he can create a single issue voter bloc for pot smokers... it's kind of a joke. Especially since the Congress still has pot listed in its federal list of controlled substances. I assume this is an entirely illegal and unconstitutional act by this president.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and he will get 6,500 more votes
    I'm still curious
    how much weed does one need to possess to get federal charges?
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Federal Laws and Penalties
    Offense Penalty Incarceration Max. Fine
    Possession
    Any amount (first offense) misdemeanor 1 year $ 1,000
    Any amount (second offense) misdemeanor 15 days* - 2 years $ 2,500
    Any amount (subsequent offense) misdemeanor or felony 90 days* - 3 years $ 5,000
    * Mandatory minimum sentence
    Sale
    Less than 50 kg felony 5 years $ 250,000
    50 - 99 kg felony 20 years $ 1,000,000
    100 - 999 kg felony 5 - 40 years $ 500,000
    1000 kg or more felony 10 years - life $ 1,000,000
    To a minor or within 1000 ft of a school, or other specified areas carries a double penalty.
    Gift of small amount -- see Possession
    Cultivation
    Less than 50 plants felony 5 years $ 250,000
    50 - 99 plants felony 20 years $ 1,000,000
    100 - 999 plants felony 5 - 40 years $ 500,000
    1000 plants or more felony 10 years - life $ 1,000,000
    Paraphernalia
    Sale of paraphernalia felony 3 years N/A
     
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    The president can pardon anyone for anything at any time. Surely you know this. It’s not a secret power. It’s right there in the constitution.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That sounds to me like he isn't releasing casual pot smokers, he's releasing DRUG DEALERS
    I knew I was jumping the gun in thinking Biden actually finally did something good
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Surely you can recognize that Biden is creating a defecto law by his actions, which is unconstitutional. Until congress repeals the law, or amends the law, Biden cannot simply waive fiat at it and undo an act of congress.
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The president can pardon anyone for anything at any time
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He never said they couldn't. You are cherry picking. Not very productive
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your complaint is that the president is using one of his constitutional powers. Boo hoo.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That was never MY complaint. Mine was a simple question about people that get caught with it in places its still illegal. my question was answered.
    He is trying to talk about other effects this might have.
    I don't recall him saying the president cannot do pardons
    just sayin
     
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    drluggit is making the assumption the pardons are illegal and unconstitutional so it sounds like he is saying a president can't pardon anyone for anything
     
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    I'm sure the drug dealers that he is returning to the streets will thank him.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    I am not. I am saying that he is trying to invalidate the federal law by using his executive power to do so. I know, details, but at some point, you have to stop lying about it...
     
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    What proof do you have that the people to be released are drug dealers? It sounds more like wishful thinking on your part than any first hand knowledge.
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is his right to do so. Can you point to a post where you complained about Trump pardoning people?
     
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    Read the Fin law and discover who those incarcerated actually are for once.
     
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