Why would China use a spy balloon when it has satellites?

You are gobbling ignorance not me. An anti aircraft missile does necessarily completely disintegrate when hit. It depends on how big the explosive force is and where the missiles explodes. A part of one wing or tail section may be wrecked and the 80-90 percent of the craft can hit the ground.
An explosion does not necessarily disintegrate an entire aircraft. You are not de aging you are sitting on the fence and are farting out crap and on the verge of farting out insults.

 

Do you agree that it is the payload that is important so we did not want to blow up the payload but take down the “ Al loon”.?

 

No idea. It sounds like our boys knew what it was just from high-res photography taken by U2s that were flying by, so I don't know how important it was to the powers that be to recover that equipment. What is the alternative? That they just wanted to avoid possible damage and injuries in the case of a downing over land? Either way, it sounds like they weren't too worried about what it could learn.

 

I am sure we were running ECM and jamming the crap out of the devices.

 

Oh, have you a link that shows where and when the big ol’ Spy Balloon was?
A flight path? (Verified?)

 

I sourced that it pretty much does. Hence the 17 SQUARE MILES of debris, on land.

Have an other one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103
the wreckage of the crash was scattered over 2,000 square kilometers (770 sq mi)

 

So, balloons are the size of a 747? this is your typical amount of research before getting uppity and making everyone laugh.

 

I could find one, but then so could you.

 

Pentagon officials said that they are not confident that the attempted jamming of the signal was effective.

 

It wasn't capable of hovering over one spot. And what do you think that it would have seen anyway?

 

Military shoots down 'high altitude object' over Alaska


Patrick Semansky/AP Photo

Kelly Hooper
Fri, February 10, 2023 at 1:43 PM CST

President Joe Biden ordered the military to shoot down a “high altitude object” flying over Alaskan airspace in the last hour, National Security Council Coordinator for Strategic Communications John Kirby said Friday.

“The object was flying at an altitude of 40,000 feet and posed a reasonable threat to the safety of the civilian flight,” Kirby said at a White House press briefing. “Out of an abundance of caution and at the recommendation of the Pentagon, President Biden ordered the military to down the object, and they did, and it came inside our territorial waters.”

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Kirby also confirmed that a military pilot assessed the object was not manned, and that there is no indication of the object having surveillance capabilities.

... https://news.yahoo.com/military-shoots-down-high-altitude-194305958.html​

What was this, I wonder?

 

Oh goodie, you don’t have one ready, meaning that you didn’t see one already but know your “facts” are true, because…
Charming.

 

Are you one of these who thinks the Chinese balloon was just a weather balloon which drifted away from them?

 

Yes it was. What’s wrong with liberals? Are they really this naive?

 

And what makes you think measures were not taken to block any possible intelligence-gathering while it was crossing the country? Do you not have faith in our military to deal with something so obvious?

 

The Chinese pulled off a very clever con on the dumb Congress Critters. They sent a slow-moving balloon over North America, knowing full well that it would freak everyone out. The US eventually shoot down the balloon over the Atlantic. If the dummies in the military and all of the assorted spy agencies were unaware when the balloon left China they should all be fired for gross incompetence.

So, once the balloon got popped the dumb Congress Critters made a big deal about it invading American air space. The fools forgot that we are supposed to have a supersonic spy plane come on line in 2025. How in the hell can we use it to fly over other countries when we bitch about them invading our airspace? It seems that they just made the plane worthless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_SR-72

 

That balloon was doing the same thing our spy boats do, it was listening.

 

You haven't said what it would have seen. And the balloon cannot hover over one spot - it's dictated by the wind

 

The longer one can monitor it without revealing it has been detected, the greater the intelligence regarding its operations that can be gleaned and, of course, its transmissions can be jammed if that is appropriate. Obviously, being able to down it in water preserves evidence, and enhances the potential for analysis.

Former Trump administration officials have expressed frustration and confusion in recent days over revelations that Chinese surveillance balloons hovered over U.S. airspace during their time in office.

A senior Pentagon official told reporters last week that Chinese government surveillance balloons hovered over the continental U.S. “at least three times” during the Trump administration…

There appear to be a few possible reasons for why senior Trump administration officials would have been unaware of Chinese balloons over the U.S….

Gen. Glen D. VanHerck, the commander of the Pentagon’s Northern Command, told reporters on a conference call on Monday that the balloons went undetected, calling it a “domain awareness gap that we have to figure out.” …

Jake Sullivan, the national security adviser to President Biden, on Monday said the Biden administration had improved the government’s capacity to “be able to detect things that the Trump administration was unable to detect.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ficials-were-unaware-of-chinese-spy-balloons/

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Trump may have mistaken Xi's intrusive gas bags for Italian satellites.

Trump Pushed Italian Satellite Election Fraud Conspiracy Theory



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My guess the balloon was too low tech for NORAD to see it.

 

Trudeau: Warplane shot down object over northern Canada
Sat, February 11, 2023 at 4:11 PM CST

OTTAWA (AP) — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Saturday that on his order a U.S. warplane shot down an unidentified object that was flying high over northern Canada, acting a day after U.S. planes took similar action over Alaska.

Shortly before Trueau's tweet, the North American Aerospace Defense Command said it had detected an object flying at high altitude over Canada. NORAD gave no further information, including when the object was first spotted or what it is.

On Twitter, Trudeau said: “I ordered the take down of an unidentified object that violated Canadian airspace. @NORADCommand shot down the object over the Yukon. Canadian and U.S. aircraft were scrambled, and a U.S. F-22 successfully fired at the object.”

... https://news.yahoo.com/trudeau-warplane-shot-down-object-221137439.html​

Curiouser and curiouser!

 

Good. As mentioned after the 1st aircraft, I suspect they want a global network of these. Apparently it's worse than I thought and the international community has already allowed them to do it. It's a no brainer decision to immediately shoot all of these down, and recommend other countries do the same because A) whatever is up there is not having a positive effect on your people, B) it's within a country's rights to do so.

Also they should already have a team of engineers to figure out how to take one of these intact, possibly with drones. If we can figure out how to refuel a jumbo jet midair with another jumbo jet, I'm sure we can drag down a balloon.

 

I suppose that may have been trying to figure out all the radio frequencies being used by the facilities even if they couldn't unscramble them.

Either way, we probably need to go ahead and start trying to cobble together a warhead for missiles that are less damaging to the equipment on board to bring down these balloons as there will be more. Having more concrete evidence of their origins and what they are really up is key. Maybe a sidewinder that works more like our anti-satellite missiles--they just spray an area with an ungodly number of steel ball-bearings from what I have read. That could possible deflate the balloons over time and leave more whole or nearly whole parts to work with.

 

Modern surveillance balloons are able to be controlled and maneuvered from remote locations.

 

I won't hold my breath, but could you possibly explain how that works?

Balloons drift on the air currents the same way a boat drifts on ocean currents. They cannot be controlled once released from the ground.