ABORTION PILL RULING: Judge SUSPENDS FDA Approval of Mifepristone

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  1. cabse5

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    Dude, when a state government does things which the people of the state agrees with and does things which protects the people of the state, that isn't authoritarianism...That's called democracy. Figure out the difference.

    Maybe you're trying to explain the bad nature of democracy?
     
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    So, help us understand why you are angry here? Is it because this federal judge simply did what liberal judges have been doing for decades and made a ruling that you don't like or support? Hmm... Welcome to the wonderful world of pendulum swings.... LOL
     
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    Trump and the supermajority of the electorate of the GOP not in Washington DC don't agree with neocons in Washington (or formerly in Washington) like Liz Cheney, Romney and Graham of SC. Figure it out, just once.
     
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    Denying the will of the People expressed iin democratic elections, abrogating established personal freedoms, overriding expertise in medicine, science, education, private enterprise, are all symptoms of rampant, authoritarian statism.
     
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    I don't think you have a clear grasp of the Judge's ruling. It's not the safety of the drug that's at issue; it's the manner in which the FDA approved it. Following protocol is necessary to ensure safety, but no one is saying a drug is not safe before that. As a government watchdog, the FDA works for our interests and whenever they don't follow protocols they should be held accountable. I'm not sure how accountability will look in this case.
     
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    An excellent post, except for its last line. The whole rest of it, lists GOP authoritarianism. Therefore, the ostensible meaning of your last line, would be that Democrats-- or at least, those who are no longer supporters of the GOP-- are the ones who "refuse to respect democratic elections." That is not my understanding of the facts.
     
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    That's your second, utterly non sequitur reply, in a row. You've got one strike left.
     
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    When I noted that "It is hardly surprising that so many refuse to respect democratic elections," I acknowledged losers and their followers irrationally attacking democracy when they lose.
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    Right-- but that either seems a different subject, or one that you did not clearly relate to the rest of your post. The way those losers pretend that they could not have lost, in a fair election, is not a result of becoming fed up with the GOP abuse of its power and ignoring of its responsibilities to the public, as laid out prior to your last line, "It is hardly surprising that so many refuse to respect democratic elections." IOW, I don't see how it could not be meant to come across, that everything else you mentioned, would have helped precipitate your ending line, such that you could have begun that final line, with the word "Therefore."
     
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    Florida and DeSantis has done none of those things.
     
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    The electorate of the GOP and Trump not in Washington (about, IMO, 9% of the GOP) fit your description of Republicans.

    Your beef is with the Liz Cheneys, the Romneys, the Grahams and the Bushes of the neocon world...Oh wait, those folks hate Trump...Such a dilemma for you.:roll:
     
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    You think denying bodily autonomy for women is "democracy"? Ya, I thought so.

    How about if a state government banning guns...more "democracy"?
     
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    Do you think it was undemocratic when states and the federal gov't denied bodily autonomy to anyone who didn't get the Covid jab by firing them from their jobs?
     
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    Dude, if the majority of the people want it, it's not authoritarianism. It could be under some circumstances considered democracy gone amuck but it's not authoritarianism. I mean, can you argue The Constitution is authoritarian? No, you can't, either, for the very same reasons.
     
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    A politician dictating medicine to medical professionals, curriculum to educators, censoring books, etc., is repugnant to freedom-loving Americans. They don't want De Santis's authoritarianism.

    Poll: Signature DeSantis policies unpopular with Americans
    [https://news.yahoo.com/poll-signatu...ly-presidential-run-220406760.html?.tsrc=1026]
    The rabid embrace of authoritarianism in the GOP is unpopular.

     
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    FoxHastings said:
    You think denying bodily autonomy for women is "democracy"? Ya, I thought so.

    How about if a state government banning guns...more "democracy"?



    LOL, I knew you couldn't answer the question...

    Employers firing someone when they don't adhere to company policy is NOT denying bodily autonomy....
     
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    How about if you first help us all understand what you could have possibly read as coming across as my being "angry?" I think my tone was more a mixture of alarm, at the ramifications of the decision, and an almost tongue in cheek acceptance of the inevitability of this sort of thing, particularly from this particular judge. Which brings me to your argument, that he was doing nothing out of the ordinary, for a judge. WRONG. Not only is this unprecedented, but it is not even something that might be expected from nearly any conservative judge; which is why the group that helped financially bring the suit, specifically picked this judge. I believe I heard that they rented some property and set up shop in Amarillo, just in order to do so. There is no equivalent on the liberal side, at least not who is so known as such a pushover for any argument coming from that philosophical side, as opposed to basing his opinions strictly on the law, regardless of his personal feelings.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/te...lawsuit-often-rules-conservatives-2023-04-08/


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    The federal judge who on Friday suspended approval of the abortion pill mifepristone is a
    former Christian legal activist whose small courthouse in Amarillo, Texas, has become a go-to destination for conservatives challenging Biden administration policies.

    U.S. District Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk, an appointee of former Republican President Donald Trump, had a
    long track record of opposing abortion and LGBTQ rights before the U.S. Senate confirmed him in 2019 to a life-tenured position as a federal judge.

    Now on the bench, he has routinely ruled against Democratic causes. Since October alone, Kacsmaryk has blocked an end to Trump's "Remain in Mexico" immigration program and ruled against Biden administration policies designed to protect LGBTQ people from discrimination in the workplace and at doctors' offices
     
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    Join us, on another episode of "As the Pendulum Swings"... in today's episode, liberals are horrified that an "activist" judge made a ruling they don't like. Cause like literally all of their activist nominees, they expect their team to produce these kinds of rulings.... The horror they are now feeling knowing that the pendulum swings away from their version of crazy...

    @DEFinning did you want to go on record here and suggest that activist judges were maybe a bad idea? And ask the judges Biden has been nominating be removed from the bench as well?
     
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    I have no idea what you are talking about; you do not explain what you mean; this is your third non sequitur "reply," in a row-- you're out!

    Have a nice day
     
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    You are absolutely right. There is no excuse for government interference in ones right to bodily autonomy. If you are a Democrat, you are not pointing with clean hands.
     
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    It was a bad decision that will be overturned. But it is not a Presidental game changer as you suggest.

    But what goes around comes around and now now you get a taste of the judicial advocacy and judge shopping BS liberals have been using on a regular basis to promote their agenda. Cause the last thing liberals want is judicial decisions based on the Constitution.

    So I have to ask. Out of 13 Federal Appeals Courts how many of them do you suppost are controlled by liberals?
     
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    Are those the people moving back in with their parents? Perhaps with respect to the word "underwhelming" they should look in the mirror.
     
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    Exactly right. The liberals were fine with forcing people to take experimental drugs.
     
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    Dude, authoritarianism is the opposite of democracy. If DeSantis' leadership exhibits democracy in Florida, it can't be authoritarian. Figure it out, just once.

    Who cares what the nation thinks about abortion, for example? How 50+% of the people of Florida think about abortion determines democracy, er, non-authoritarianism.
     
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