100k preventable deaths a year

So you don't understand that different things are actually different. Got it.

 

Yes of course..... I have absolutely no concept that different things are different.

But thank God I have people like you to point it out for me..

Of course the physical realities of walls are different depending on what country you're in and how much money you have and what your agenda is

 

Using your logic, so is everything else. No use locking the doors in the banks, the thiefs will just find another way in. No need to lock your doors while you are away from your house.

 

It's not my logic, it's yours.

Is 1% of the cash money the bank has inside the bank or is most of the cash a bank has inside the bank.

Locked doors keep honest people honest.

You want to spend billions on a border wall that will stop, per your number, 1% of the drugs entering the USA.
Instead of focusing on the other 99%.
Of which that 1% will then join the other 99% and 100% of drugs will still get here, over, under, around, and smuggled through.
Why waste all that money for nothing?

 

Are you suggesting that we treat guns and illegal drugs the same? I'm all for it.

 

How do you figure no one cares about drugs when "war on drugs" has raged for 50 years with a price tag of $100 Billon per year, and our prisons are packed with drug offenders?

Should we do more about drugs? If so, how much more?

The obvious evidence is in the mountains of drugs we confiscate at sea, borders, airports, postal service, harbors and elsewhere and the number of people we lock up annually for trafficking and dealing drugs

LOL. Drug traffickers can be very creative, although vast majority comes in through legal ports of entry via ship and truck and is not discovered due to sheer volume of cars and containers. Lately they are also using drones to fly them in. There is literally no way to stop from coming in, and some drugs like pot and meth are made in US.

The OP tries to twist this into a partisan gripe about gun control and that's desperate to say the least.

 

Because making it more difficult will reduce the amount getting into the US.

 

LOL, 99% and more than 99% will just come in the way 99% comes in now.

You will have wasted all that money. For nothing.

And no one has proved how your 1% is getting here. Offer some proof of that.

What kind of logic is this?

 

More important? LOL. No. I can see that you are not aware, but quite a bit has been done to reduce deaths from car crashes. Car industry is strictly regulated and new safety features are implemented and made mandatory as soon as they become available. You might have heard of seat belts, airbags ABS breaks for example, or the requirement for everyone to get trained to drive and even have a license to drive.

You come across desperate trying to argue no one cares about car safety or drug abuse when people have bent over backwards to reduce deaths cause by them. The ONLY difference between drugs / traffic safety vs gun violence is the fact that law makers / enforcers have been allowed improve the situation with autos and drugs, but when it comes to guns their hands are tied and clearly you are here to argue that nothing should be done. However your argument that autos and drugs are ignored is flat out false. Its waaaaayyy off the mark.

 

It's amazing that you can tell the same people over and over that the overwhelming majority of drugs are coming into the US via ports of entry and they still think fixing the gaps in the current border wall will reduce the amount of drugs coming in.
Do they really believe hundreds of thousands of pounds of illegal drugs are being carried in each year on the backs of mules? Do they not understand how illogical it is to even think such?

 

I never claimed 1% was getting here.
About 100,000 people are killed per year by Fentanyl. If we stop 1% of the Fentanyl, that means potentially 1000 lives are saved.

 

Sadly, some actually do.
But some say only 1% is carried across by mules. So, we need to spend $$Billions to stop that 1% and then that 1% of drugs will just come in the way the other 99% come in.
Fox, talk radio, QAnon, I don't know what source the information comes from.

 

True, sorry.
But you said what difference does it make, 1% or 100%. It makes a huge difference on where to spend our resources.

And there are a few links that state, depending on the year of the study, 90-95% come in thru air, land, tunnels, and smuggling thru ports of entry.
A lot is shipped by mail to the USPS mail service.

A wall is pointless. Expensively pointless.

 

The wall is not just for drugs. It is also for the mass of illegals coming across our border.

 

Then you're in the wrong thread.
This is about drugs coming thru the border. At least, that was the disguise of the OP.

But it matters not, over, under, around, and smuggled through is still options.

 

Call it one tenth the cost of building the wall. The other nine tenths has other purposes.

 

Tell that to Portland where they just legalized them

 

How about if we follow the Portland model?

 

Tell the what exactly and why?

And no, they did not legalize drugs, they decriminalized the possession of them.

Portugal did that (actually Oregon followed their model), and fatal drug overdoses decreased, so there is that.

 

Now they have become a mecca for homeless drug addicts.

They deserve to get what they voted for.

 

Sure. They wanted to try the Portuguese model and the rest of us get to watch from the outside and see how it works out. You have a problem with it because...........?

 

I don't have a problem with it at all. They have every right to turn their state into a homeless junkie infested hell hole if they wish to do so.

 

Ok, and does that has something to do with the thread you opened? As you probably know Oregon has permit less carry laws as far as guns go. They are the most libertarian State in the nation. Its not a liberal thing.....just libertarian. There is a difference.

 

Well that's pretty interesting because one of two things has happened..... You either didn't bother to do basic research before you posted the claim or possibly they just recently changed the law. I suspect it is the former instead of the latter.

 

Some fentanyl myths busted:

Republicans continue to blame vulnerable migrants fleeing violence, hunger, and natural disasters for illicit drug smuggling, but facts are stubborn things. Over 90 percent of fentanyl, and over 80 percent of total illegal narcotics, arrive at legal points of entry—not between them—and are smuggled largely by Americans—not undocumented migrants. In fact, migrants accounted for less than 9 percent of fentanyl trafficking convictions in FY 21, compared to more than 86 percent for American citizens.

In December 2022, CBP seized 4,500 pounds of fentanyl, the largest amount ever recorded. Incredibly, just five of those 4,500 pounds were seized at the border by U.S. Border Patrol. Republicans are focused on 1 percent of the problem, 100 percent of the time.
https://connolly.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=4691

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Is this one reason the GOP is making such a stink about fentanyl?

The vast majority of those who overdose on opioids are non-Hispanic white Americans, who made up close to 70 percent of the annual total in 2020. Black Americans and Hispanic Americans accounted for about 17 and 12 percent of cases, respectively. U.S. military veterans, many of whom suffer from chronic pain as a result of their service, account for a disproportionately high number of opioid-related deaths. Veterans are twice as likely as the general population to die from an opioid overdose, according to a study commissioned by the National Institutes of Health.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/fentanyl-and-us-opioid-epidemic

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Kevin McCarthy & Laura Ingraham claim that people can suffer overdoses or serious health defects merely by coming in contact with fentanyl. But this has been debunked time and again. Typically, we find police departments telling these fentanyl-related lies, but McCarthy has gotten in on the act in recent interviews with some of Fox News’ most vocal opponents of immigration.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/kevin-mccarthy-fentanyl-fox-news-rcna47906