100k preventable deaths a year

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  1. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    What are you trying to pull man?...

    You are all over "water" as the 95% source... 3 pages back.... 8 years ago
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34934574
    ... "[Now] well over 95% of the drugs are moving on the water via container ships, non-commercial vessels, pleasure boats, sail boats, fishing boats. They also have fast boats which try to outrun our law enforcement assets."

    Now you are babbling about ports of entry... again... from 4 years ago from 2019...which does not address the situation at the open border we have now....

    Which my claim that walls/sensors/cameras/drones would free up resources to be used at those ports of entry or elsewhere needed... STILL STANDS...
     
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    More like everyone in New York.
     
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  3. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    How funny you missed a big point... but let me show you the errors of your way...

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    The Stop act was signed by Trump OCT 24, 2018
    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/s3057
     
  4. dairyair

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    You do not know the border is more secure today? Didn't the trumpster put up more wall.
    Hasn't worked has it.

    What I am pulling, if you read, is data that is provided from different sources. Did you read the links?

    What it shows, is immigrants are not acting as mules as a major entry of drugs into the country.
    The only one that says that is you. Without a shred of evidence.
     
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    But treating the cause is always the best option
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not if it won't work.
     
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    the Harrison act of 1912 started the war on drugs, not nixon in 1970, nixon only used it for political purposes, at the time REPUBLICANS were the progressive party wanting to re-engineer society with legislation, a position they now decry...humans have always taken substances to alter their perception, the US border is thousands of miles long, there is no way to police the entire length of border...the US population has been bombarded with mis-information for one hundred years about drug abuse, demonizing it confusing prohibitions affects with the drug itself effect and on and on
     
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    There is a way to slow it down. It is called a wall.
     
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    Ever read Huxley’s Brave New World?
     
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    The vast majority of illegal drugs are smuggled through official ports of entry, hidden in cars and tractor-trailers. Filling in gaps to the existing border wall isn’t going to slow that down.
     
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    You're either intentionally making an untruth or you can't comprehend what you read.

    I gave you 2 links to read on how drugs get into the country. They both showed some come thru the southern border. But 90 or 95% are via water or smuggled thru ports of entry.
    They were from 2 different time frames. Both showing your claim of how drugs get into country are not what you stated.
    Most that come thru the southern border are smuggled thru points of entry.

    I have never done a 180%, whatever that even means. LOL.
    I've only provided facts from sites that give details of how drugs enter the country. I didn't write the stories.

    You have yet to prove that mules are the main source of way drugs enter the country. Through the parts of the border that are not walled off.
    That is because you made that up, or you listen to conspiracy theory sources for you information and you're to embarrassed to show where you get your information.
     
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    There is no reason.
    You just made it up.
     
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    That's the most expensive solution and it will never work.

    Most drugs get in by water, air, or smuggled thru ports of entry. 90-95% get here thru those routes.

    Walls can be gone over, under, around, and smuggled thru.
     
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    Apparently, you don't understand the difference between actually making a point, and making an unsubstantiated, batshyte crazy assertion.
     
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    Individuals can go under, over around and snuggle thru. Large groups like we have coming across the border now, cannot.
     
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    Agree. That's why a wall is mostly useless. Not worth the cost. You didn't think I actually meant the drugs themselves take those other routes?

    And won't solve a problem.
     
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    No single solution will solve the problem. However, a major, but unknown amount of the drugs are coming across the southern border.

    Walls have been effective for thousands of years. There has been no advance in technology which made them ineffective. Whenever we try to protect just about anything, the first thing we do is put up a wall.

    A wall was downplayed by the democrats for two reasons. One because Trump said we needed one and two because it appears that they do not want to stop illegals from crossing the southern border.
    Really. That is the best you can do. Trump put up a small part of the wall. So little that they just go some where else to cross. I haven't seen a picture of a large group of them crossing where the wall is in place.
     
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    Why not post some facts to back up the claims.
    Yes, they come thru the southern border. From data I've posted, it's smuggled thru ports of entry.
    Drugs also come in via water and air. No wall will stop those routes.


    No advance in technology to make walls ineffective? Surely you gest.
    Boats, airplanes, tunnels, and smuggling techniques have all advanced to make a single wall mostly useless.
    Wall have been going up for decades.

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    In 2006 then-President Bush signed the Secure Fence Act, which called for the erection of hundreds of miles of barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border. The Bush Administration intended to build 700 miles by December of 2008, when his second term would come to an end. By April of 2008 then-Homeland Security Secretary Chertoff had issued waivers that swept aside dozens of federal laws and “all federal, state, or other laws, regulations and legal requirements of, deriving from, or related to the subject of” the named laws for all of the planned border walls.

    By the end of President Bush’s time in office the U.S.-Mexico border was lined with 278 miles of 15-to-18-foot-tall pedestrian fence and 248 miles of vehicle barrier, for a total of 526 miles. Of those, 135 miles had been built prior to the passage of the Secure Fence Act.

    The Obama-Biden Administration would oversee construction of an additional 128 miles of border wall. When Donald Trump was inaugurated in January of 2017 a total of 654 miles of border barrier (including both pedestrian fencing and vehicle barrier) were waiting for him.
    https://www.southernborder.org/the_..._harris_administration_should_tear_walls_down
     
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    Australia never sold the soul of their country to big pharma like we have in the US. Our fentanyl problem largely originated with the physical/pharma/media collusion to hook the public on prescription opioids.

    Australian physicians didn’t go full pill mill and Australian media can’t advertise for pharma’s mass medication schemes.

    Have to give Aussies credit where it’s due. :)
     
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    I haven't seen a single picture of an illegal coming across the border in an airplane or boat. Maybe a tunnel, but the numbers trying to come through tunnels are very small.

    We are talking about large numbers not just a few illegals coming across in other ways than just walking across the border.
     
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    Twist and spin my liberal friend...

    The only one speaking with a forked tongue is the poster who claims water in one post while siting the ports of entry in another.... it is called talking out both sides of your buttock...

    The mules are not the main issue, chasing and capturing any and all takes up resources... having miles of open border takes resources.. a wall/sensor/camera/drones would help concentrate those resources elsewhere at the ports of entry..

    The wall is a half way built wall.... funny you ask about it while Biden halfway built it, not Trump.... and the wall is a barrier that the illegal invaders have to negotiate around it.. which is the point of a wall to begin with...
     
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    So you've never heard of the airplane. Got it.
     
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    after 100 yrs of drug war, some act like a "get tough" policy was never thought of or used before....duh!
     
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    How many airplanes would it take to carry nearly two million illegals across the border each year? There is also the matter of where they land. They would be a lot easier to find getting off an airplane in an airport than crossing the wide open border.
     
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    They just need to get over the wall.
     

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