Biden declares himself 'blameless' if US defaults on debt: 'I've done my part'

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  1. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That debt is quoted per taxpayer. When your children become taxpayers, it applies. The debt per citizen is lower because it counts babies and all.

    I don't know what percentage of citizens and companies have managed their fiscal affairs wisely enough to be debt free, but it's a far superior position to be in. Debt has a place, but it's also a dangerous thing if not used carefully and wisely- and politicians never seem to have a clue about that.
     
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    starting to go down even though Covid spending was done in 2020. It shouldn't have been a thing much in 2021 and certainly not in 2022 and 2023. That's not Covid, that is 100% Pelosi/Biden. Regardless, we are talking about why Biden won't budge on his $1.8T deficit next year. You can't blame Republicans for spending too much and then give Biden a pass for spending 3X that much.
     
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    On a factual level have to agree. However on the emotional side kinda default to; any human being in diapers should be considered blameless. Come on, man! I’ll bet you’ll find comrade Joe wearing a bib at mealtime.
     
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    That doesn’t make any sense
     
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    Seems McDopey is saying the exact same thing now

    McCarthy says debt ceiling standoff 'not my fault,' as White House warns of economic risks

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/debt-ceiling-talks-stuck-classic-040956127.html

    Everybody needs to ask themselves ONE question. Which group, GOP House or White House IS CAPABLE of raising the debt ceiling tomorrow without the other??.

    Ta Da...... Blame assigned...
     
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    Springate, you might want to read the law itself. What it says, not what you think it says. But you still don't know **** about immigration law in this diatribe you just made. So, instead of what you think the law says or debating what the law says, you came up with this tangent with Theodore Roosevelt and your lame-brain argument on analysis.

    I am well aware of what President Theodore Roosevelt said. But you don't understand and never will. Assimilation is a process. This is not something you can get from Babble or whatever software you can think of, especially for older adults who have not used any English since their primary or secondary school days. That is why their kids, many of whom are born here, will translate for them. But assimilation is more than just speaking the language, it is understanding the culture, the nuances, which you still don't grasp despite your alleged "worldwide travels." Nor is this an argument to deny anyone from entering in the country. We don't have an official language. States have official languages with some having more than one. And since states don't make immigration laws, you cannot use the language as a barrier. Also, many immigrants who come here legally and illegally are going to where their jobs are or where their family is.

    Finally, no one is justifying, nor have I argued that it was justified in why they come, but I do recognize the reasoning and see if the law applies to them under the current law. You may want to look at 8 USC 1158 which many migrants are using to come here legally through the port of entry. And since asylum is a legal process, that too can work no matter what you say or believe. But most don't because our current immigration law is draconian and restrictive. This is why I believe the legal process needs to be reformed. And unless you have gone through this either as a USC petitioner or a volunteer helping someone, you will never know. So, we can help solve with reform in the legal area first. Reforming immigration, legal immigration is something we can control, but we refuse to look at that part of the equation.

    When it comes to their home country, it is not something we can control, but it is something we can help though. We will need NGOs, pretty much all the Central and South American countries on board, increase trade, liberalize their economies to their benefit, reduce corruption, train their police, etc. But we can't go in there as a "great white hope" sort of thing and we need to treat Central and South American countries as an equal partner, not a subordinate.
     
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    That's a straight up lie.
     
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    Okay, let me speak slowly to you. Trump does not think anything is relevant to him, thus he never takes responsibility for anything. Get it?
     
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    Covid spending was not done by 2020. They were still being paid for with covid tests, medicine, and treatment. We had a couple of mini outbreaks in various regions because new variants popped up, but the spending by the 2020 bill included 2020, 2021, and 2022, until Covid was no longer a pandemic and the law stated now that private insurance will bill the patients according to their plan, prescription medicine and treatment and all.
     
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    For citizens and companies, you can see that in their financial ratios or on websites such as the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. Current estimates is total household debt is now at $17 trillion dollars. This can further be broken down by secured debt such as mortgages and unsecured debt such as credit cards and generally personal loans. And if you look at the percentages, it is all rising.

    Businesses will have ratios such as Debt to Equity ratio and debt to assets ratios. That is if they are public companies. Private companies, you can find them at Moody's and other similar websites if you have a subscription. You can get it by industry, mid cap, small cap, etc.
     
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    We can't go there at all and have no business in doing so. They are not our responsibility. By the same token, we are not obliged to let them in here by the tens of thousands.
     
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    It’s not an issue of me not getting it, it’s an issue that you aren’t making any sense. Just making things up.
     
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    you are projecting moolk.
     
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    And yet, you are one of the ones who called for the War with Mexico, invading Mexico, annexing Mexico. Pot, meet the kettle black here on you.
     
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    You apparently don’t understand how budgets and federal spending happen….

    You know that Democrats were the minority during trumps presidency, and that when they took control of the house in 2020, thats when the deficits decreased…..

    Great self own tho ;)
     
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    Like all legislation, It must pass in the house, then the senate, then signed into law by the president.
     
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    I wonder if the impasse is due to Biden or Dem's demanding too much money spent on far left agenda aka illegal immigration, trans agendas or whatnot. Would be interested to read what is in each sides version of the bills.
     
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    Funny he would say that while we were already treating Americans who were here, very differently.
     
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    I don't recall advocating war with Mexico, you sure?
     
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    Yes, as I said, they aren't doing their job either.
     
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    Assimilation is a "process"? It's a choice- and that means both ours and theirs. If you aren't smart enough to control who you allow into your life circle, your life will always be a mess. Whatever your group is- baseball team, corporation, society or nation- it's no better than the people it's made up of. You don't allow everybody in and figure it out later. Unless you are an idiot.

    Those who tell us that everyone is the same usually want everyone accepted because they know they are low on the list of acceptable qualities. Lower the bar so I'm acceptable, rather than get up and make yourself valuable. There's a lot of trash people in the world, and while they exist in all classes, if you don't know who to let in, who to keep out, who to ignore and who to learn from- you're going to be a fool living in a dysfunctional society- and if you have any perceptive capacity at all, you can see ours if becoming more dysfunctional every day, and you won't have a clue why.

    Such people always want to tell us what's wrong- but they cannot figure out what's right or solve any problems. Unfortunately, it seems you fit that situation. All criticism and know it all, but can't actually make a contribution to improvement.
     
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    Yes, I understand. If the Republicans go along with Biden's massive spending plan, and everyone passes it and raises the debt ceiling, you will blame the Republicans for the massive spending. If they don't go along with it, you will blame the Republicans for shutting down the government. It's not Biden's fault, nor that of the Democrats in the Senate. Because they are blameless. They don't want to spend. They simply have a gun to their head and are being forced to increase the debt by $20,000 a year for every man, woman, and child.
     
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    "We" was not him. This was his opinion, but a president does not control the people. Laws can change some behaviors, but they can't change minds or personalities. Great leaders model their beliefs so that the people see them in use, and help their followers migrate toward them. Still, real change in a nations morality takes a lot of time, and more than one leader supporting it.
     
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    Well, the order of the first 2 can change, but essentially correct.

    But it still doesn't answer how anybody can be blaming the final step guy in that process at this time, as there is nothing for him to sign.
     

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