A little chance to end the war soon ...

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  1. Glücksritter

    Glücksritter Well-Known Member

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    Its neither to make you happy nor to make you unhappy. Souvereign states may forge their alliances. For example Sweden or Finland has been neutral through the Soviet era, but after the invasion of the Ukraine considered NATO-protection to be necessary.
     
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    Please make your alliances away from us!
     
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    So what? Do "wicked commentators" drive "irrational hatred" into children's heads? Well, you would have come up with something more stupid!

    by the way, think about it - why are these commentators angry? Is Putin forcing them too? They are actually adults, with their own opinions, and for some reason they are also angry. Think about what could be the reason for their anger!
     
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    Stop driving other countries to seek our protection.
     
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    Glücksritter Well-Known Member

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    Thats not up to you to decide. In fact as you can see just right now in Northern Europe two countries which used to be neutral for decades felt the urge to join the NATO due to Russian aggression in the Ukraine.
     
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    NATO expands simply because others clamor to join....so it's not forced expansion....more like willful joining of civilized states. No one is looking to be part of some dying,decaying philosophy.
     
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    And why did they join NATO in the 90s? Is it also because of aggressive Russia? Listen, well, at least you don't believe yourself!
     
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    Why?....are there RuZZian speakers being offended somewhere?
     
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    My God, what are you talking about now?
     
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    Glücksritter Well-Known Member

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    If the hatred pushed by Russian state media towards the West with lies, accusations of being satanic and othger lunatic nonsense lead to children who grew up with it with an iraational hatred for the West? Of course it does. The denial of that simple fact is stupid, I mean this is basic. If you give children collections of anti-Semitic fairy-tales in which Jews are evil, greedy and conspirators against all others to anti-Semitism? I mean the question alone is stupid, what are we talking about here?

    No, he is just a complete psychopath and can set a course for the state media so other complete psychopaths have a say. Kadyrov, Dugin, Solovyov etc.

    Because they are sadistic psychopaths who use propaganda like Joseph Goebbels did and need to be stopped, its just criminal scum of the earth. They love genocide, the idea of nuclear destruction, torture, etc.

    I mean why are the ISIS scumbags who torture people to death evil? Because they are. They wanna have slaves, because they thought they can. Its the same reason for these scumbags.
     
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    In 1962, when Khrushchev brought Soviet missiles to Cuba, for some reason the Americans were so offended! Almost the Third World War was not started. Strange, why would that be?
     
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    Yes...I see it's over your head.

    "Civilized" and "RuZZki" aren't compatible?
     
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    Why...was Cuba RuZZian territory?

    Who knew?
     
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    Sweden and Finland didnt join the NATO in the 90ies, not even in Cold War, because they considered their own interests best to be served if they stay neutral up to that point as the post-Stalin Soviet leaders were acting at least reasonbale and they thought they could handle the situation of their own.

    Inform yourself of the topics you talk about.
     
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    Yes, the Soviets used Cuba as a base to threaten the US with nuclear destruction. No one did that with the Ukraine.
     
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    Give an example of the lies that the Russian media spread about the United States. Otherwise, these accusations are abstract...

    You need to stop your propagandists because they tell complete nonsense about Russia: that they grab everyone on the street and throw them in jail, that everyone is absolutely poor, that the entire population is intimidated and similar nonsense.
     
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    And the whole of Eastern Europe has joined! Why? After all, the USSR collapsed, there was no enemy. Why the hell was it necessary to wind up the confrontation with Russia?
     
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    What does Ukraine have to do with it? I am now talking about the countries that were dragged into NATO when there was no enemy in sight!
     
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    Sorry, but otherwise than outright false translations there is no more going into details with comments like that




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    its not necessary to go on with hundreds of links and discuss the details. Are the translations wrong/fake?

    About your presumtions that the media here tells that the Russian population is incredibly poor, thats not true in general. Of course that can happen if Russia focuses on war campaigns for decades now, but when its about the living standard, yes, Russians did have something to loose when it decided to go on a killing spree. The standard of living wasnt really bad in international comparison, despite not 100% on par with the US or not quite most of Europe.

    It also got more repressive recently, but yes, when the war started it wasnt the most oppressive regime in the world. It seems to change nevertheless.
     
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    We see the answer nowadays in the Ukraine. Strangely until 2014 I would have agreed with your statement, as Mikhail Gorbatchev was maybe the most popular politicians of all here. It turns out for me, that the Eastern Europeans just knew Russia better than I did.


    After all NATO is a defensive alliance, as long as Russia didnt plan to invade these countries, it must not necessarily be threatened.
     
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    Glücksritter Well-Known Member

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    The US did not place their strategic nuclear weapons in them as it was in your example in Cuba. What do you mean by dragged into NATO? You wanna tell me, the Polish people loved Russia and were forced by the US to join?
     
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    If you look at who joined in the 90s, yes, that's pretty much the answer. They feared that post-Soviet Russia would become Soviet Russia 2.0, and so it has.
     
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    I asked you to give an example of a lie that is being spread in Russia about the United States. And what do I see? This is the commentator's answer that if NATO invades its troops (it is unclear where, the text is cut off), then Russia reserves the right to retaliate. And where is the incitement of hatred here? Stay at home and no one will hit you! The second video has no translation at all, I didn't understand what they were talking about in it, but in any case, it was after the start of the war. And Russia started inciting hatred in your opinion even before all the events.
    I asked you to give an example of a lie that is being spread in Russia about the United States. And what do I see? This is the commentator's answer that if NATO invades its troops (it is unclear where, the text is cut off), then Russia reserves the right to retaliate. And where is the incitement of hatred here? Stay at home and no one will hit you! The second video has no translation at all, I didn't understand what they were talking about in it, but in any case, it was after the start of the war. And Russia started inciting hatred in your opinion even before all the events.
     
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    No, that's not how it happened! At first, we went out of our way to make friends with you. After 1991, 95-99% of the population considered Americans friends. And everyone expected that we would live together, that all contradictions would be forgotten like a terrible dream! And I was like that. But you ****ed it up. You have managed to turn your devoted friends into bitter enemies. You idiots!
     
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    I guess it's a good thing Obama illegally overthrew the Ukrainian government and put Democrats, and Democrat supporters and friends of Democrats on the boards of major Ukrainian companies.

    You know, like Hunter Biden and his friend Devon being on the board of Burisma, because we all know both of them are experts in natural gas exploration, drilling, marketing, and refinement of petro-chemicals from natural gas.

    That's because you weren't there, and aren't familiar with US Geo-Political Strategy, and you don't even bother to read what your government publishes.

    The costs of not implementing this strategy are clear. Failure to meet our defense objectives will result in decreasing U.S. global influence, eroding cohesion among allies and partners, and reduced access to markets that will contribute to a decline in our prosperity and standard of living.

    [emphasis mine]

    https://www.defense.gov/Portals/1/Do...gy-Summary.pdf

    It must be terrible for you to be so uninformed and groping around in the dark.

    No, they are not.

    The US needs Ukraine to establish forward operating bases to enforce a No-Fly Zone over western Russia while Britain and the US carve up the eastern Russian republics.
     

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