Slaves were maids and stoop labor, cotton pickers, none were a BLACKSMITHS!!

Amen and Amen, we could all stand to quit hunting excuses for failure and start search for ways to succeed. The latter is far more profitable both spiritually and fiscally.

 

Pro-lifers support the life of the Mother as well. They just support life in general. progressives leave that part out. Planned Pregnancy Centers are a great example.

 

As a generally rule of thumb, leftist, who appear to believe they know everything, are, because of that, simultaneously impervious to any real knowledge while believing themselves qualified to speak upon any topic.

 

This thread is a beautiful example of ignorant outrage to help paint a conservative politician as evil. It was the same playbook used on Trump. Is now being used on DeSantis and will be used on any conservative politician from this point on.

Progressives are authoritarian in this regard.

 

Minor disagreement Progressive are by nature authoritarian in almost every regard and pretty much always have been. Progessivism is what one gets when one applies nearly infinite ego, arrogance, and hubris to government.

 

The slaves that were blacksmiths were blacksmiths that were given a skill because their owner needed someone to have that skill. They were not paid for that skill or the work they did because they were slaves. They didn't have a choice and there was ladder to improvement. Do you know why because they were slaves.

Let's not let history be rewritten.

 

Yes. In some instances slaves were able to take on contracted jobs and would pay their master for the ability to hire themselves out and then everything they made after that point they got to keep. Some slaves were able to buy their freedom this way.

Sometimes. Not all slaves had the opportunity to do so, but some slaves did in fact buy their freedom by working in trades.

This is basic history. I’m shocked people don’t know this. You’re not American, right? Perhaps that’s why…

 

This wasn’t always the case. In many instances slaves were in fact paid for their labor and were allowed to keep their profits.

 

I wouldn't say evil. More like indifferent to the damaging consequences of his idiocy for the sake of ambition.

 

That is the case for all employers all the time. In a related story: water is wet.

 

In the future, this would come to pass but not at the time. I would honestly argue this is a rather silly point to die on for both sides. Regardless of the skills they acquired in forced labor and servitude or not, it was ultimately forced labor and servitude. The end. It's also silly to deny these people were able to learn these skills, and made use of those skills as they became free men and women.

Both left and right are stupid on this 'issue' and are doing nothing more than opening up old wounds, once again.

 

History to some extent disagrees, Jefferson, for instance, is known to have shared at least some of the profits with the slaves that operated his black smith shop. Not as much as he probably should have but none the less some I will cheerfully admit that the practice likely wasn't common but it was common enough that by the time of the civil war there was a flourishing community of black freedmen who were doing everything from cobbling to blacksmithing in Atlanta Georgia. More common was the practice of setting a few of the slaves free on the death of the master.

 

You see slave owners as employers? In a related story, up is down.

 

That's not what he said, and I suspect you already knew that. He was obviously talking about "slave holders" since that is what he quoted.

 

All slave holders were employers. Not all employers were slave holders.

 

They don't employ the labor of their slaves? How would such a business not go bankrupt? The difference between a slave and a laborer lies solely in the fact that the laborer is free to sell hist skills to the highest bidder and the slave is not.

 

Not defending Desantis, but....

"The first southern ironworks was established in the Chesapeake. Alexander Spotswood, Lieutenant Governor Virginia erected the South’s first successful ironworks around 1718. There were at least 65 ironworks in the region employing as many as 4500 slaves. By 1775, the American colonies were the world’s third largest producer of iron. Built largely on slave labor, slavery played a crucial role in the growth and development of the industry. By the 1750s, enslaved men performed most of the skilled and manual labor." ( https://www.nps.gov/ethnography/aah/aaheritage/Chesapeake_furthRdg6.htm )

 

This is true. But you gotta admit "up until the moment of birth" is great propaganda. Both sides love it as you pointed out here.

 

To the OP, I presume you are referring to code SS.68.AA.2.3 that adds to the framework of how slavery is taught by including "how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit," which would include examining "the various duties and trades performed by slaves (e.g., agricultural work, painting, carpentry, tailoring, domestic service, blacksmithing, transportation)."

To both @Sirius Black and @metypea1 , you both appear to be making this claim: no slave was ever paid to be a blacksmith. This is a claim of fact; that is to say, you are claiming that it is factually correct that no slave was paid to be a blacksmith. @Sirius Black , you appear to be going one step further, claiming that "slaves were never employed."

Both of these claims are absolutely, positively incorrect--and verifiably so. Other posters have already provided evidence, but I guess I'll provide my observations, too.

Regarding the specific claim made by the OP that no slaves were paid to be blacksmiths, this is simply not correct. Artisan slaves, including slaves skilled in blacksmithing, were employed for wages:

Blacksmiths, refiners, and molders were "elite" slaves who commanded the highest prices. Evidence supplied by this author seems to indicate that slaves in the iron industry probably occupied an intermediate position in the status hierarchy. These slaves, for example, were allowed to do extra work for wages which they might keep as their own so that they might purchase goods from the store at the iron works . . ..​

And free blacks also competed with whites in the artisan industry:

Artisanry was not limited to whites by any means. Many larger slaveholders encouraged some of their enslaved people to acquire skills that would contribute to the self-sufficiency of the plantation, such as carpentry, shoemaking, coopering, and blacksmithing. They often sent several enslaved people to the city to learn these skills from white master craftsmen. While free African Americas made up a very small percentage of the antebellum Georgia population, they too found artisanal work in cities and towns. Frequently they competed with white journeymen for wage labor.​

In fact, slaves who learned these skills continued to use them for occupational purposes in postbellum America to 1880:

Specifically, the jobs of carpenter, brick mason, tailor, baker, cooper, blacksmith, shoemaker, painter, barber, and butcher accounted for approximately three-fourths of all black skilled workers at that time.​

And it was not just blacksmiths who were paid. Seamstresses also were paid:

Elizabeth Keckley (1818–1907) took the earnings from her skills as a seamstress to buy her freedom from slavery, and then developed a system for cutting and fitting dresses that she taught to other dressmakers in Washington, D.C.​

All in all, the OP is a laughable irony. It argues against the supposed ignorance that Floridian children are supposedly being taught ignorance, even though it makes this argument from a position of extreme ignorance that slaves did not benefit at all from the skills learned while in slavery, even though that is clearly, factually incorrect.

And to the Democrats who liked the posts of the OP and the other poster, did you not fact-check them first before affixing your names in support of such ignorance?

 

Your patently false statement is noted.

In many Southern cities and towns you would see Black men and women walking down the streets. Some wore "work clothes" but some Black men would be in suits and times and Black women in fashionable dresses.

At first glance, you wouldn't think they were Slaves but they were and you would know that because they'd never look you directly in the eye and if you were on the boardwalk, that sort of wooden sidewalk along store fronts, they'd step off to let you pass.

The majority of Slaves were confined to plantations but many lived in apartments in towns and cities.

They were bookkeepers, tailors, seamstresses, and cobblers making boots and shoes, and yes, they were blacksmiths. Some were even store clerks.

You can even read the story of a Slave who was a bookkeeper and lived in an apartment all by himself above the office where he worked.

Might I suggest perusing the 1860 US Census. If you would like more detailed information, many States and even counties also conducted a census of the population and many counties did an annual census instead of a 10-year census. You can get people's occupations and status, meaning slave or free from them and they are often more detailed or contained details that the US Census did not have.

There were also a few Black towns. Very few, but they existed nonetheless and they were Free Blacks and they ran their town and a couple of those towns also had Black Slaves.

No one likes to talk about that stuff, because, well, you know, it doesn't fit the narrative they're trying to ram down people's throats.

 

How could a slave who had no money pay his master for the right to rent himself out and keep the money?

As I said before:
Really, when slaves were hired out the money went to the man who owned the slave not to the slave!

In the years before the American Civil War, enslaved African Americans sometimes worked away from the property of their enslavers. At times, they labored for other enslavers or for people who owned no enslaved people and were too poor to purchase enslaved laborers outright. Enslavers found that in some situations, they could make more money by contracting their enslaved laborers to others rather than having them work on their own property. The “hiring out” system of contracting enslaved labor became increasingly popular in the South during the 1850s
https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/ulysses-s-grant-slavery-and-the-hiring-out-system-in-st-louis.htm#:~:text=Enslavers found that in some,Grant lived in St.
Do not rewrite history.

 

Yeah but just the idea it is legal to kill an infant for ANY apparent reason up until the moment of birth is more than some of us will put up with!

 

So who has justified slavery? DeSantis sure hasn't. Would you like to twist it as if he has? Can you admit slaves of the era had talent? Masters exploited that talent? ....or do you want to stick with the narrative of this thread that they were only smart enough to be field hands?

 

Even Americans don't know this because most educators are far left of center and it runs against the narrative they wish to promote. Only historians that love true history tell the real story!

 

I don't even know any on the right that has tried to promote slavery as a "virtue". The left takes anything they can and try to twist it to say todays GOP loves the idea of slavery. In reality, everyone knows slavery of the 1860's was a Democrat Institution and today they try to preserve it in the form of the "Government Plantation". Keep them down, paint them as ignorant and helpless.