Canada’s house speaker apologises after praising Ukrainian veteran of Nazi unit

Gaslighting Alert!

I quoted your BS about Canada and then commented.

The Speaker doesn't speak for Parliament. He has even less voice than Majorie Taylor Greene has in our form of government. He resigned in disgrace. You misrepresented his importance.

I said it weakens Americans' resolve--not mine--because it allows people like you to point Ukrainians in an unfavorable light.

Your Achilles Heel.

Your "Big Lie" is a classic propaganda tactic used by communists and fascists alike.

Gaslighting Alert!

He was introduced as a Canadian and Ukrainian hero. People who fought for the Nazis were never heroes to Canadians. You continue pushing the same Big Lie.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/nazi-parliament-standing-ovation

That's why Rota is no longer Speaker.

Propagandists don't like people who won't let up exposing their propaganda.

 

I'll let you know--he's on top of the thread and continuing to expose your propaganda.

 

This is another lie. You claimed I called or insinuated that Zelenskyy [sic] is a Nazi. You quoted nothing that even remotely makes that connection.

Here is the context:


Look, I get your posts are embarrassing. I also get the desire to go on offense and change the subject because you can't back up anything with facts, and your mitigation attempts have failed. I'm sorry if saying it was wrong for the Canadian Parliament to praise a Nazi "undermines your resolve," but I'm confident that you're in the minority in that regard... just like I'm confident that you're in the minority who desire to mitigate this behavior.

Here's another screenshot. Please explain why you believe denouncing the praising of a Nazi in CANADA can undermine your resolve to oppose the invasion of Ukraine? It makes no sense to me that you'd even feel that way.

 

Exposing "my propaganda" by asking for proof that a known Nazi is a Nazi? You're not making sense. It was a silly question for someone who has been in this thread from the beginning. I'm not surprised you pretended to not know that.

 

As we figured out, Mr.Hunka is Slavic Aryan. A lot of sense here And yes, you know, in these kinds of forums people can ask you argue your statements, and about that you are very surprised for some reason.

 

Zelenskyy is correct.

The Speaker praised Hunka, not Parliament.

You want to limit our help to the Ukraine.

 

No, it was your untruthful attack on Canadians.

 

Has everyone completely forgotten the fact that way back in WWII, many Ukrainians were enraged at the Soviet Union -- and Stalin in particular -- for murdering so many Ukrainians while confiscating their property?! To those people, the German soldiers were LIBERATORS from Stalin and from the Soviet tyranny!

Of course, it wasn't very long before the Germans turned into something equally bad, and so many Ukrainians turned against them, too. It was a very, very tumultuous time, with a lot of back-and-forth going on constantly. So how can anyone in the 21st-century pretend to be some kind of all-knowing "judge" about who-did-what, and who was "good", and who was "bad"...? So much of this is nothing more than typically ignorant, revisionist bullshit... always done in connection with some present-day political agenda....

 

I was barely young during the beginning of the space race when the Sputnik was sent into orbit and beeped. I recall by dad saying looks like the Russian NAZIS eat our NAZIS into space. Of course you know that we collected as. many Germany scientists and engineers as we could as did the Soviet Russians. We and the Russians did the same with German Intel officers.

 

Agree ! Example is the crap the extreme left is dishing out over our use of atomic bombs to help Japan decide o surrender.

Back to the Russians and what they did to western Ukraine. As I noted in an earlier post the Russian NKVD murdered Ukrainian Catholic priests starting in 1939. The imposed collectivization. One of my grandfathers had a major part of his livestock taken. In 1941 the Germans took another portion of what was left. My other grandfather had his two small businesses confiscated and he was labeled a “capitalist” . They were both sent to Siberia soon after the war. One survived and lived about ten years after his return from Siberia the other was murdered by Russian Communist turds in some gulag somewhere. So German NAZIS equal Russians as Schiest equals Schiest.

 

Putin has the utmost respect for Canadians but for those in parliament

 

Putinka has no respect for anyone except himself Bill....he doesn't even respects his own zhradniks.....LOL.

 

The historic facts that we can all look up is.
That the allied powers agreed that if Germany would get defeated that there would a deadline for Russia to attack Japan. Russia honored that agreement by attacking Japan on the deadline that they agreed upon. Russia blitzed through China and Korea in 2.5 weeks and totally destroyed Japan's forces capturing well over half a million soldiers. It all went that fast, that Russia literally invaded Japan before their brand new unscratched pacific fleet was able to show up.... and Japan did not have anything reasonable as an army to defend Japan at that time. That's when Japan immediately surrendered to the US, and ONLY to the US.

Russia still is occupying those parts of Japan today, as a kind reminder what they can do.


While on the other side. The US held a genocidal firebomb campaign against Japanese cities. They build a makeshift town of typical Japanese civilian buildings, and experimented how to burn it down with bombs as efficient as possible. And they unleashed that on around 60 civilian cities. And the idea of Americans is that Japan could handle 58 cities being burned down to it's foundation, but the last 2 done with nuclear bombs was the straw on the camels back. That's not so plausible. And the excuse to go genocidal against the Japanese was with the idea that Japan would not surrender.... BUT THEY DID! Yet the argument of Japan not going to surrender always remains on the table for the sake to justify the genocide. But it's a lie.

And on the backdrop: Americans can not come to turns how racist they were. Japanese Americans were rounded up in concentration camps and lost everything. German Americans did not experience that at all. The US simply was a full fletched apartheid state with Jim Crow laws in place and everything. This plays a massive roll why America went genocidal against Japan, and why they are pushing this under the rug.

 

Russia invaded small islands in Japans North, to invade Japans mainland huge preparations should be done by Russians, it's not a question of weeks, maybe even months but Years.

 

Point is that Russia invaded Japan and had a brand new unscratched pacific fleet ready to go. They had a tremendous momentum of just barging though whatever the Japanese army put up. With that knowledge, and the fact that Japan ONLY surrendered to the US..... that pushes the idea that not the US but Russia caused the surrender.

While I wouldn't know why you doubt there were no preparations. They had an ENTIRE fleet that still had to shoot their first bullet.

 

So what some of what you say about the USSR doing the right thing at the end of the war is exaggerated. You are making Stalin and his gang of war criminals sound like great guys and allies. We built up the USSR during WWII. Remember that even at the time of the USSR during WWII the Russia ethnic population of the USSR was only about 53 -54 %. I get sick of hearing how millions of Russians died during WWII. Non Russians died by the millions at the hands of the Germans and Stalin and his war If you add the millions of non Russians Stalin’s goons killed during the 1930s to the death totals it is horrific. Russia does not keeps agreements unless it is good for them. Remember the Iron Curtain ? I have heard and read about the sugar coated revisionist love fest you paint the history of the Russian actions before, during, and after WWII and it is raw evil. I reject revisionism and our alleged “wrongful” use of atomic weapons. Open your eyes and see what a evil bunch of schiest Russia is and he’s they are our enemies.

 

It a knee jerk reaction from ignorant gebonees who see anyone who served in or with Germans a NAZI. Are all who served in the Red Army a communist? No way. My uncle ( fathers brother) was in a Red Army unit ( he was conscripted when the Soviets returned to Ukraine as the Germans retreated) in the attack on Berlin and his unit was one of the first to enter Berlin. Just because my uncle was conscripted into the Red Army did not make him a Russian or communist.. He was a Ukrainian who was conscripted.

 

Russia was already winning the war in Europe before America set foot on it. While you're not disputing a thing how Russia rampaged through China and Korea in order to invade Japan. They were unstoppable, hence Japan quickly defaulted immediately to the US, to avoid being part of the USSR.

It's a fact that the US build Japanese civilian structures in the US and test how to efficiently destroy it. To than unleash their genocidal campaign against 60 cities. There is no difference between firebombing entire cities and nuclear bombing them. Erasing cities with civilians of the map is simply erasing cities with civilians of the map. That's the American war criminal legacy. And you're not contesting a thing about those facts.

 

Where was SU winning war in Europe by the time US stepped in?

You do realize that US was supplying lend Lease to Sovs not long after Jun 1941?

The Sovs basically didn't get rolling till shortly after Kursk....when US forces landed in Sicily.

 

I am the first to challenge and disagree with Corn Pop so I am the first to defend him as well.

Corn Pop you have explained yourself very clearly. Thank you.

Fair is fair.

Look in Canada we have serious historic issues with our handling of Nazis. It is a fact. The issue of how we took in Nazis after WW2 is a fact. We let in a lot and looked the other way. Our immigration policies have had and have issues that remain unresolved. As for our Prime Minister and many of our politicians, they lack basic awareness of Canadian history.

https://www.cp24.com/news/canada-s-...history-including-war-crime-records-1.6580440

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/cot...upports-unsealing-deschenes-records-1.6584723

https://globalnews.ca/news/9995876/secret-nazi-records-canada-deschenes/

 

Russia invaded Manchuria and did not “rampage “ through China as you claim.
Check your history and learn. China proper was involved with Chan Kai Sheik and Mao. There is no way that Russian could have “rampaged” through China in about or less than a month. I initially neglected to respond to your extreme exaggeration about Russia “rampaging “ through chine because that was just too ridiculous of a statement and figured that any reasonable person would reject it.

I did not “reject” your so called “facts” about the U.S. purposely tested the “eradication” of Japanese civilians because what I reject is the made up stuff that there was a plan to “erase” Japanese civilians. Since you brought it up now I reject your exaggerations and repeated less than truths about the US.

 

I could not because it is being used on this thread to advance a pro Russian anti Ukrainian agenda. Please do not pretend it hasn't been.

 

Believing people shouldn't discuss facts and current events if it goes against your preferred narrative is absurd. Not everything will support your opinion. Some things are wrong and we shouldn't be afraid to say it's wrong simply because we are so focused on a political narrative that we ignore morality to defend our views.

Every member who stood up and applauded should have known that Nazis fought the Soviets during WWII and they should have hesitated before giving multiple standing ovations. We can support Ukraine and oppose Russia while also taking the moral high road. We don't need to defend Nazi praise out of some warped view that it helps Russia it we don't. It helps Russia in no way. No country is going to stop donating and lending to Ukraine because of a standing ovation in Canada. No Ukrainian is going to fight and less strong due to a standing ovation in Canada. No country is going to help Russia because of a standing ovation in Canada. Etcetera.

The only thing you're fighting for is tribalistic support of your position, even when that tribalism results in mitigating support of a Nazi.

 

Like what was said in a previous post....you're beating a dead horse here and promoting a pro Russian agenda.

 

The SU won the battle of Moscow in januari 1942. It should have been the big price for Germany.

Not really relevant compared to the massive output of the Russian war machine

And that happened in july 1943. Not really close to januari 1942.
And so what that there was a landing in Sicily. Sicily was probably not even defended by Germany since it's part of Italy.