I wonder if the atrocities directed against unarmed Israeli civilians

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You think I was talking about you? There are plenty of gun owners who dont know much about their firearms.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    and there are plenty of IDF soldiers who aren't particularly good shots. The Israeli domestically created weapons were lauded for being very good for somewhat trained combatants who weren't going to spend a lot of effort caring for their weapons. I bet there are more seriously good shooters in the states of Ohio, Indiana and Michigan than all of Israel.
     
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  3. Chickpea

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    I assume you know your AR inside and out, yes?
     
  4. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    The 9th Amendment doesn't say anything about unenumerated rights.
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    The average gun owner in The United States has way more than three years of firearms training.
     
  6. Vernan89188

    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    Wonder why we dont allow people behind the wheel based on the same mentalities? The average citizen is a good driver, so why not just abolish the whole drivers license shenanigan requirement?
     
  7. Chickpea

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    Do you understand that the constitution gives congress no legislative power to restrict gun ownership?
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Because requiring driver's licenses is a strategy used to control the populace. It doesn't have anything to do with making sure people are qualified...lol.
     
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    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    Arms ownership, the word gun is nowhere in the constitution...my car is a weapon.
     
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  10. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    A dinner fork is a weapon, by that logic. You sure you want to make that argument?
     
  11. Chickpea

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    So do you understand that congress has only a limited legislative authority? A yes or no will suffice as an answer.
     
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    No disagreement from me.
    An ex of mine would love to just be able to be rid of that whole mandated blow and go business that disables her vehicle.

    Yea why not, I have a right to carry dinner forks with me and not pay an extra tax to do so right?
     
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    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    If that means you dont disagree with me then yea.
     
  14. Chickpea

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    So do you understand that congress has only a limited legislative authority? You're saying that you agree with that?
     
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    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    Continue....
     
  16. Chickpea

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    Continue? What does that even mean?

    So do you understand that congress has only a limited legislative authority? You're saying that you agree with that?
     
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    "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

    "The right there specified is that of 'bearing arms for a lawful purpose.' This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence."

    US v Cruikshank
     
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    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    Im not arguing, so please continue. I wanna see where this leads.
     
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  19. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    Exactly as I said: the 9th Amendment says nothing about"unenumerated " rights.

    What the 9th Amendment means, is that your right to fill in the blank doesn't Trump my rights.

    An example: your property rights don't Trump my 2A rights, if you are open to the general public.
     
  20. Turtledude

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    the concept of constitutional rights seems foreign to you. and you don't need a license to own a car or use it on private property
     
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    You think we might have the same ex?...lol
     
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    I beg to differ. Let someone come here in rural Southwest Florida and just try to attack some little neighborhood out in the sticks and see what kind of armed response they will get.

    Pretty much it's true about try that in a small town. Over 400 million guns in the United States and the people who live out in the country and in small towns tend to own a very large number of them relative to their population
     
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    Well, it'll go different ways based upon your answer.

    So do you understand that congress has only a limited legislative authority?
     
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    No, can you explain?
     
  25. Chickpea

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    You want me to explain the constitution to you?

    This is a political forum, right?
     
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