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Hamas is trying to prevent another ethnic cleaning by Israel. Have you read the book?

Or do you plan on adding it to your book-burning pile?

 

Actually, I would probably call myself a libertarian if I had to come up with a label.

I am also not so naive to think that Israel is without some degree of culpability. That being said, to compare what Hamas did to how Israel responded is disingenuous, at best....or did Israel INTENTIONALLY slaughter kids and seniors and rape Palestinians THEN place old folks if front of any retaliatory response?

I am puzzled how, when given the right to self governance, and when the Palestinians elect Hamas leadership, you see that as Israel's fault. I'm guessing that if Israel denied them that right you'd find fault with that as well.

 

They came to an agreement and just needed to ink the deal. But it was terminated because of this war... something you cheer as a success. Meanwhile, you express severe bigotry toward so-called "Satan-worshipers" for supporting Israel.

 

Hamas is trying to prevent "another ethnic cleansing" by preventing people from leaving the bombing zone in hopes that they will be killed? Do you read what you write before hitting the "post reply" button? Israel cares more about protecting the lives of people in Gaza than Hamas does.

 

This is the excuse the anti-semites are looking for.

 

If you read the book, you would understand. Are you going to read it or add it to your burn pile? Is ignorance something you desire above anything else? I can't force you to read.

 

why not just prove what you claim rather than telling people to read what appears to be propaganda

 

I want everyone to know that Cornpop and I came to an agreement that he would hand over everything he owned to me. I have no proof of this since we haven't inked it but according to Cornpop all that is needed is my stating that we came to an agreement for it to be binding . . .

I did no cheering - yet another lie.

Do you lies ever end.

 

I don't know what book you're talking about... I assume it's where you got the context for the bigoted posts about Christians? But, if you can't articulate your position why should I read a book that left you incapable of doing so? Seems like a waste of time. I also try not to read bigoted information as a general rule.

 

It's amazing how many people defend Hamas.

 

Yeah, it's interesting because if this were ISIS, the Taliban, or al Qaeda most of these people wouldn't support them. They primarily attack Arabs and general westerners without discrimination.

But, when it's a group that primarily attacks Jews and Israel we get to see who the terrorist sympathizers are. They just can't stop themselves from defending this type of terrorism.

 

So, you're claiming that books written by Israeli's about their own history is propaganda?

For starters, the book provides the proof and references. Next the Israeli tactics used historically are being used now. This has already been discussed before. If someone wants to stick his or her head in the sand and insist on cheering Israel's bloodlust, as many of the Evangelical "Christians" (Actually Satan-Worshippers) have decided to do, my explaining the references and history in the book is a waste of time.

If someone actually demonstrated an open mind instead of a bigoted one, I'd be willing to give an overview. Otherwise, I'd much rather people demonstrate their ignorance publicly by misinterpreting the actions of the Gazans.

 

I don't know if they are anti semite-Jew Haters or they mainly hate the USA and see Israel as a proxy for that hate.

 

I'm not defending Hamas. This is an ignorant misinterpretation.

A policeman chases after a murderer and ends up killing the murderer's wife, friend, and an innocent bystander as well as the murderer. If I criticize the policeman, am I defending the murderer?

 

so you want us to believe the Israelis are doing to innocent Palestinians the same thing that the Nazis did to Jews, the Turks did to the Armenians or Milosevic did to Bosnian Muslims?

 

if the murderer hides behind those people and shoots at the police and the shields are killed by return fire, I blame the murderer

 

No, you'd have to read the book to understand what Israel is doing.

 

So you support the killing of innocent bystanders?

 

where did you get that wrong idea from? i blame those who created the incidents that lead to the deaths of innocents which is the Hamas scum. Not the IDF. why would Any American choose Hamas over Israel?

 

I tend to be rather well informed. Israel isn't systemically exterminating innocent people. That is what Hamas and the rest of the islamist bandits want to do to Israel

 

I am discouraged of offering any opinion on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict; so it's rare that I give an opinion in threads like this one, but this time I will.

I think there is no reasoning with either side of the equation; people tend to think of this issue in an extremist manner, and neither side wants to hear the other side's arguments; all that is left is intense hatred from both sides.

This is such a messy, decades-long problem... It will NEVER be solved. Things seem to be calmer for a while... some treaties are made... then it all goes to hell again. This repeats and repeats.

Ideally there would be a 2-state solution and both states would recognize and respect each other and would live in peace. Will this ever happen? No way. It won't. There will be permanent conflict forever and ever, just like what has been going on for decades.

Me, I lament what both sides are doing. I do not condone terrorism, and Hamas is a terrorist group that commits atrocities, no doubt about it, and of course Israel has a right of defense. But I also do not condone widespread collateral damage to civilians, and blocking food and water and electricity for Gaza won't hurt Hamas (they likely have prepared for this for two years and have supplies in their tunnels); it will hurt (and is already hurting) the innocent civilians.

So, innocent civilians have already died by the thousands on both sides, the Israelis in the hands of the Hamas terrorists, and the Palestinians under Israeli bombardment. BOTH outcomes are regrettable. I mean, literally hundreds of children have already died on both sides. How could anyone justify the actions of either side when innocent Israeli and Palestinian children are dying???

Can you imagine the despair of a father and/or mother dealing with the cadavers of their young children?

I saw a report of Hamas terrorists executing two twin girls, 3-year-olds, and their 2-year old brother. This is horrific. And I also saw pictures of Palestinians carrying their dead children from the rubble left by bombs.

How can anybody condone either side? It beats me.

 

From this . . .

According to you the policeman is completely innocent if he uses force in a way which kills bystanders.

Or do you believe that the policeman should share blame if he recklessly uses violence the apprehend the murderer?

No.

Israel created the situation which lead to the deaths of innocents.

Israel allowed Hamas to rule Gaza.

Israel allowed Hamas to gather weapons.

Israel allowed Hamas to conduct training to attack Israel.

Israel placed women, children, and elderly right next to the border of Gaza instead of soldiers.

Israel has had all the power. The anti-semite anti-U.S. Jesus-hating Satan-worshippers are simply using Hamas as their proxies of hate.

 

It's not a binary choice.

 

all of this ignores reality..If Israel acted to prevent Hamas from getting weapons, you would complain. If Israel prevented Hamas from training, you would complain. the putting civilians on the border and blaming they being attacked is akin to blaming a rape victim for how she is dressed.

what causes this hatred of Israel and this lame attempt to excuse Hamas?

btw-if the murderer had not illegally killed someone-none of the other deaths would have happened so yes, the murderer is the primary object of blame

 

Yet, they are ethnically cleaning the Palestinians from Israel systematically.

Hamas believes they can only obtain justice through power. That doesn't necessarily mean the extermination of the Jews. But it does mean that they want to rule all of Israel.