What's so great about Diversity?

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  1. TheImmortal

    TheImmortal Well-Known Member

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    No not at all in fact. First let me deal with some differences (there are literally a thousand but I’ll just give a few examples):


    “The unadjusted cranial capacity estimates for 4 Mongoloid samples averaged 1343 cm3 and 20 Caucasian samples averaged 1467 cm3 (Table 1) The stature, weight, and total body surface area of the Mongoloid samples were all signifi- cantly less than for the Caucasoid samples When the racial differences were reexamined using analysis of covanance (ANCOVA) the least-squares means adjusted for the body size variables showed the Mongoloids averaged 1460 cm3, a larger cranial capacity than the Caucasian average of 1446 cm3, although the difference failed to reach statistical sigmficance However, the power of the test was low given that N = 24, rather than the N = 57,378 it would have been had the raw data been available In terms of EQs, using Jenson's (1973) equation,
    Mongoloids averaged 7 26 and Caucasoids averaged 6 76, t (22) = 3 46, p < 05
    One reviewer suggested that body weight may be confounding these data because he calculated a correlation of r = 91 between body weight and average cranial capacity from the data in Table 1 Normally, this correlation would be about r = 30 However, it should be noted that the data in Table l are based on group means If individual scores m each sample had been obtained, the relation between body weight and cranial capacity would be expected to have been about
    30 Although mean body weight predicts mean cranial capacity across the racial subsamples and the slopes of the subsamples are the same, the intercepts vary The intercept for Caucasoids was 827 cm3, and for Mongoloids, 841 cm3, which means that for any given weight, and on average, Mongoloids have 14 cm3 more brmn volume than Caucasoids

    Cranial size and capacity would be one difference.

    Another difference would be hair growth. Your Asian partner will have much less body hair growth than her European counterpart on average.

    Another difference is that Asians have less apocrine sweat glands than Europeans. Which is why they don’t produce as much body odor or ear wax.

    Now your son doesn’t become some weird mixed third race. He will classify as one of the three. Caucasoid, mongoloid or negroid. In one generation (outside of genetic mutation) you cannot affect enough genomic structure to create a third race. Now if you did this for hundreds of generations and 10,000+ years it would make a difference. But your son is easily classified as either mongoloid, negroid or caucasoid (Or one of the other few races out there but they’re so rare as to be irrelevant to this convo) as will be his son and his son and his son and his son.

    A physical anthropologist can pick up your grandsons skeleton 1000 years from now and tell you with EXACT PRECISION which of the races he belonged to.
     
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    There is still no evidence that Negroes tend to perform better in school and in life than whites and East Asians. The evidence is that they usually perform less well.
     
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    There is still no evidence that Racist White Supremacists tend to perform better in school and in life than blacks, whites and East Asians. The evidence is that they usually perform less well

    Fixed it for you at no charge.
     
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    You have made a great effort to somehow describe physical stuff, but have not demonstrated any connection between what you have posted and so called 'intelligence', let alone the concep of superior and inferior.
    My understanding is that it is likely that men have heavier weight and larger cranial capacity than a woman in the main, but that does not mean that men are superior to women in any way, or that one gender is superior or inferior to another.
    Nor have you referenced skin colour (melanin) and whether what shade of skin you have makes any difference, which of course is something that is cited as a significant difference (with heavily negative connotations) by those who engage with others by first ascertaining if they are 'black' or 'white' or whatever.
    The most significant factor that speaks to us of any differences between people is their societal experiences, not their skin colour. Or as somebody once said, 'the content of their character'.
     
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    I’ve also not mentioned anything about one being superior or inferior to the other. They’re not, they’re just different. And there’s reasons for these differences. The most fundamental being agriculture.

    Caucasoids and mongoloids developed agriculture anywhere from 5000 - 20000 (depending upon the estimate) years before negroids did. That means they moved from predominantly Hunter gatherer to predominantly agriculture thousands of years before the negroid population did.

    So let’s take a look at those two systems Hunter gatherer and agriculture.

    What traits does one need to succeed and proliferate within an agricultural society? You need to be able to work hard, be well conditioned and healthy. You don’t need the over-the-top strength you once did in Hunter-gatherer society because now you’ve built walls and homes where you can protect your food without having to die for it. You can save food for later and replenish lost stores of food. Along with giving you more free time to think and follow after intellectual pursuits but it also requires you to become an amateur engineer. You have to learn to repair your tools and use your intellect and wit to build your homes and your barns etc etc. You don’t need to be hyper-aggressive because you’re more protected than you were.

    So what attributes are going to help this man succeed? A moderate level of physical fitness and healthiness would be required but so would a modicum of intellect. And those would be the traits passed down through the generations.

    What traits does one need to succeed and proliferate within a hunter-gatherer society? You need to be able to fight for your food against not only the prey itself but also against other hunter-gatherers who want your food and other predators who want your food. You need to be able to run for miles and miles upon end without stopping to track and take wounded prey. You have to be able to defend your family from becoming prey themselves. You spend all day gathering food and then at night you sleep, leaving little to no time for intellectual pursuits.

    So what attributes are going to help this man in this society? Well he needs to be the biggest, strongest, toughest, most well conditioned, with a high constitution and violently aggressive as he can possibly be to be able to find success within that paradigm. Intelligence is not necessarily a required factor. Would it be helpful? Sure but not as desirable an attribute as say strength or athleticism in general would be.

    So in a Hunter gatherer society the attributes which they BREED for and whose genetic traits get passed along are the biggest, strongest and most hyper-aggressive males who aren’t necessarily the smartest. Those in an agriculture society pass down traits which are more intellectual in nature and less physically imposing.

    Now this is a very short and not descriptive description of my view but it will do for now. That explains why blacks are more gifted physically and less gifted intellectually on average than their white and Asian counterparts. And why whites are more gifted physically and less gifted intellectually on average than their Asian counterparts. Because Asians got agriculture first, whites second and blacks last.

    This was exacerbated by the fact blacks have been engaging in slavery since the beginnings of human history. And who do you want as a slave? Do you want a smart slave who might convince others to overthrow you? No you want a big, strong slave with low intelligence who will do what he is told and can work all day. So do you let the intelligent ones breed? No. You kill them off and don’t allow them to pass along their genes. You let the big strong low intelligence ones breed because those are the ones you want.

    Their physical “superiority” doesn’t make them any more superior than our intellectual “superiority” makes us superior. Their intellectual inferiority doesn’t make them any more inferior than our physical inferiority does to us. We are just different. But to ignore those differences simply because we don’t like the implications is ridiculous beyond comprehension to me.
     
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    Here is the evidence of racial differences in school performance.

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    Nonsense, especially when applied to murder.
     
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    But still, the majority of both races are within the mid range of IQ. True at both the lower and higher ends of the IQ spectrum the differences are more pronounced.
     
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    That's exactly right. There is no such thing as "race". But, if there were, evidence suggests the "white supremacist race" would be at the bottom of the pile in all those aspects.
     
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    Let's get this thread back on topic, namely what's so great about diversity?

    Poll: Majority of Muslim Americans Say Hamas Attack On Israel “Justified”


    “A majority of Muslim-Americans agree that Israel has a right to defend itself, but in stark contrast to other demographic groups, a majority disagree that Israel should invade Gaza, and a majority agree that Hamas was justified in its attack on Israel.”

    See? We have a wonderful diversity of opinion that we never would have had in the bad old days of pre-diversity.
     
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    "The Inequality Taboo," by Charles Murray from Commentary, September, 2005

    The Harvard geneticist Richard Lewontin originated the idea of race as a social construct in 1972, arguing that the genetic differences across races were so trivial that no scientist working exclusively with genetic data would sort people into blacks, whites, or Asians. In his words, "racial classification is now seen to be of virtually no genetic or taxonomic significance."

    Lewontin's position, which quickly became a tenet of political correctness, carried with it a potential means of being falsified. If he was correct, then a statistical analysis of genetic markers would not produce clusters corresponding to common racial labels. In the last few years, that test has become feasible, and now we know that Lewontin was wrong.

    Several analyses have confirmed the genetic reality of group identities going under the label of race or ethnicity. In the most recent, published this year, all but five of the 3,636 subjects fell into the cluster of genetic markers corresponding to their self identified ethnic group. When a statistical procedure, blind to physical characteristics and working exclusively with genetic information, classifies 99.9 percent of the individuals in a large sample in the same way they classify themselves, it is hard to argue that race is imaginary.

    http://www.iapsych.com/wj3ewok/LinkedDocuments/Murray2005.pdf

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    I am confident that Charles Murray and Jared Taylor have reason to be proud of their high IQ's. So did Richard Herrnstein, who helped Murray write The Bell Curve, along with Professor Arthur Jensen and J. Philippe Rushton.

    Those at the bottom of the pile, regardless of their opinions about race, do not know that these men exist or ever existed. Nearly all of them would have trouble reading anything by these men. Books like The Bell curve, and Race, Evolution, and Behavior, by Professor J. Philippe Rushton, have too many big words and no pictures.
     
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    He didnt have an example. Just claims of the existence of such crimes.
     
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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAA!

    What a MASSIVE load of racist white supremacist DISINFORMATION!

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/early-women-were-hunters-not-just-gatherers-study-suggests-180982459/#:~:text=Women hunted small game in,hunted game of all sizes.

    The racist white supremacist ASSUMPTIONS always end up being DEBUNKED by CREDIBLE Scientific Studies.
     
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    Racist white supremacist VICTIM BLAMING noted.

    Xtofascists have been WAGING a WAR on Public Education for DECADES now!

    Which DEMOGRAPHIC is LESS likely to be able to AFFORD additional TUTORING for their kids?

    All that claptrap PROVES is that we do NOT provide EQUAL educational opportunities to ALL segments of society.
     
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    From your source

    If you’re a white person in 2013, Nuzzo explained, your chances of being murdered by another white person are approximately 11 in a million, and your chances of being murdered by a black person are two in a million. Meanwhile, if you’re a black person in 2013, your chances of being murdered by another black person are 56 in a million, and your chances of being murdered by a white person are five in a million.
     
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    Why did you IGNORE the CONTEXT that directly follows that quote?

    Racist white supremacist COPS murder blacks at TWICE the rate they kill whites.

     
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    Lol that’s because they commit more violent crime. The more violent crime you commit, the more likely you are to reach a bad end.
     
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    You find it AMUSING that RACIST white supremacist cops MURDER black people?

    That says VOLUMES!
     
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    No I find it amusing that you don’t understand why people who make up 12% of our population and represent 50% of our total murder and 30% of our total rape are going to be killed more by police given that they interact with them MUCH more in regards to violent crime.
     
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    I find it SAD that so many of my fellow Americans EMBRACE the debunked DISINFORMATION of the RACIST white supremacists.
     
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    Thank you, it has much more to do with the fact that poor people commit more crimes not race
     
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    Poverty is one of the PRIMARY causes of crime.

    Pay EVERYONE a living wage with benefits and crime will drop like a stone. There will still be white collar and other types of crime but they will be less likely to involve violence.
     

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