Let's move the State of Israel

Matey, I'll say it one more time. I am not moving people.

 

Your argument falls flat. One does not correlate to the other. No surprise there. Let me ask you a question. How many Israeli troops have occupied Gaza since it was turned over to the PA years ago? How many Israeli citizens live there? Who actually runs (politically) the Gaza Strip?

 

I think you are confused. My comment followed this from you

 

Another analysis I read, which I sent your direction, gave me the impression that Iran, if they chose to, could put those same troops in real and immediate existential danger.

I was stunned when Obama tried to turn Egypt over to the Muslim Brotherhood. As for Biden, in the interview on the plane during that trip, Biden had a look about him, that I've seen in others, not long before I heard they were in hospice.

What a mess. And given our history of bungling, I'm not filled with confidence.

 

Research Palestinian refugee camps in Jordan. The Jordanians refuse to accept them as citizens of their country even though they're all Palestinian. They will not even issue them Jordanian passports. They live as non-state refugees and are cared for by the UNRAW. As I have pointed out numerous times, there is no difference between Palestinian Arabs and any other Arabs of Islamic countries. Yet. those expelled from, or fled, Israel are forced to live in refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. None of these countries are willing to accept them as citizens. That is why they are forced to live as refugees in camps paid for by the UN.

 

I read it. I got the impression that it was another retired General that is trying to make money as a talking head feeding the media what they want to hear. Yes, Iran could put US troops in the area in real danger, but not with conventional warfare, and they do not have nukes yet. All they can do, and survive, is to fund and direct militias to attack the US. But the problem with that is that eventually, the US will get tired of these attacks, and launch real attacks on their own. The Iranian military has never won a confrontation against the US. So, ask yourself, would Iran commit themselves to an all out war with the US? Remember, the US will have allies in such a confrontation. France has already expressed its desire to enter the fray. You can bet the Europe, less Russia and Bulgaria of course, would support a US invasion of Iran. They do not want the Jews back in their laps any more than the Arabs do. Iran has to know that it would not survive putting conventional boots on the ground in Israel.

I wasn't. That was exactly what I expected from that bows to the Arab leadership.

That is exactly my point. Do you really think that Biden can get reelected? Why isn't the DNC running a viable candidate?

Excellent reading of the situation. You can't expect the FBI to run with any criminal charges against members of a DNC Administration.

 

Well, if you think back, they only settle on Biden because they really didn't have anyone else. And Joe, who is clearly fragile and perishable, is backed up by Kamala? It's an incredible situation we find ourselves in.

Nope.

Trump's not my pick, but, he looks like the GOP's choice. I'd love to see DeSantis as AG. I think that he could accomplish what needs to be done at the FBI, DOJ and with the US Attorneys.

Do you want us cut Israel loose? Or back their play, as long as it's the destruction of Hamas?

 

I just read your response and it made no sense. I repeated the above 3 statements from you. In regards to your telling me you do not know what I refer to when I stated both Islam and Christianity state Jews go to hell, I will simply state you feign ignorance and it can be shown in the first comment as to how you discuss Revelations which of course discussed what happens in as you say "equisite scary detail" what happens to non believers. Your blatant reference to Revelations while feigning your ignorance as to the condemnation of non believers to hell speaks for itself as to your lack of credibility and religious sanctimony.

Finally before you accuse me of being sanctimonious read your own comments.

Not one of my comments assumes, presumes, dictates what my religious beliefs are or poses any belief of mine as superior to yours. You confuse me with you and your references to what is equisite with references as to what happens to non believers of your religion based on a story you call real but is in fact an assumption made by you that the story you read in the Bile has or is happening.

The only thing real is you like many others pose your subjective beliefs as real precisely because you are sanctimonious. My rejecting your reality does not make me sanctimonious as I do not presume to tell you what to believe-I do challenge your trying to tell me what is real.

If anything if you wish to describe my opinions of what you say it would be that I show contempt for your patronizing, bigoted assumptions of what anyone should believe.

Run along and preach to someone else about hell and the end of times with you presumptions of divine knowledge.

You are just another in a never ending line up of doomsday prophets who speak for God, Jesus when in fact you simply reflect your own subjective beliefs repeated to you from someone else and you do not question but consider absolute.

Do not assume my contempt for the above is sanctimony. I have never claimed to speak for any God or prophet as you do, just myself.

The hell you talk of you and I chose to create and so can end. It has nothing to do with God and everything to do with choices you and I can make. My choices do not come from repeating what others tell me to think and impose on others as you do.

 

I remember well our conversation here regarding my friend that turned out to be such a horrid piece of s of a human being and your service to the Canadian justice system dealing with folks like Jack. And again, I commend you for that service. So, I've had a rationale conversation with you here.

This however is not a productive exchange.

First of all, you do not get to make assumptions or read into my statements more than what those statements literally mean.

For example, you will not once find any post of mine in this thread with the word "hell" in it, aside from my last post to you asking for clarification of what you were referring to with regard to me mentioning anything about hell in this thread.

My post referencing the Book of Revelation was after the fact that I asked you for clarification of exactly wtf you were referring to when you wrote this:

"This thing you might call hell and want us all to agree with you on, its not hard to find."

I take it you are Jewish, although I do not believe I've seen any explicit statement from you proclaiming to be.

If so, then I will write the following,

Perhaps, you may care to know, that generally considering all things, I don't really make any particular assumptions about Jews other than that I assume they are at least as smart as I am, have likely have had their foreskin removed if they are male, and are about as religious for the most part as are most of the Catholics I know - which is not very much in the sense of being religious in the US.

If not, or if so, this is applicable:

Here, in the US, I've not found any religion that is more interested in expressing itself than evangelical Christianity. I find this to be abhorrently self-righteous, when someone makes a statement such as, "I don't know about you, but I know that I am 'saved'".

So, if you care to continue this dialogue, I am too. And anyone else is welcome to jump in as you did between me and Injeun.

I have a couple of simple questions.

Are you Jewish? I ask this because you have burdened me with more or less an accusation that I have called for Jews to be damned to hell merely by mentioning the Christian Death Wish Fantasy / Fantastic Prophecy that is the Book of Revelation. That was nowhere implied by my post it seems to me unless you were looking for it through the skewed lens of a religious adherent of Judaism.

I do find this business regarding Judaism especially repugnant that only by virtue of maternal birth can one be one of "GOD"'s chosen people. But, as the great George Lucas pointed out through the words of Yoda, "A Prophecy that Misread could have been..."



Perhaps, being the chosen people by this evil God of the three desert r f religions may not be a good thing?

It's all simple horrid my man,



There was another question, possibly something about whether or not you are in favor of having governments of nations with explicit religious affiliations or not, or maybe something else.

I find myself getting a bit unhinged with this general subject, peace be with you and stay Irie Mon.

 

I had to slum it over here in PO&B to find a recent post that had both DEESantis and Israel mentioned.

For all the GOP hilarity this week, this became my favorite story of the week, late on a Friday

SNIP
His office, according to Reuters, said it had worked to “get weapons and ammunition to Israel through private parties” as part of his high-profile “rescue operation”. The operation involved sending humanitarian supplies on chartered planes and returning from Israel hundreds of US citizens who wanted to come home following the Hamas attacks.

His boast, however, started to unravel when Maor Elbaz-Starinsky, Israel’s consul general, told the news agency he had not asked for DeSantis’s help, and that the governor’s involvement was limited to smoothing paperwork requirements for a previously arranged shipment of “rifle parts” ordered by his government.

“I am not aware and would find it very, very bizarre to think that somebody is procuring weapons and sending it to Israel,” he said. “This is not how we work. And certainly not privately funded.”
ENDSNIP

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ron-desantis-claim-sent-military-144658177.html

He's not nearly the liar his primary opponent is, but he's working his kicky boots off to catch up....

 

Why should the Arabs get 100% of the ME? Are you going to move the Temple Mount too?

 

It's certainly more feasible than plonking some white JewISH europeans there!

 

Why do you always have to talk about skin color? This discussion is not about skin color.

 

Why do you?

 

I dont. I only challenge your posts because they're always about race.

 

You do.

Black Israelite this black Israelite that....jah jah

 

Only in response to your posts.

 

Snm. Ido it in response to your posts......

 

It’s hard to say no to Jahweh.

 

I'm not sure Israel agrees with you.

I'm not sure about none of it mattering, but I do think the UN Plan is the most important justification for Israel's creation.

The Paris Peace Conference was the victorious WW1 allies dividing up the spoils of war. I don't think it has much legitimacy in 2023.

There is a considerable body of opinion that Israel's annexation of Jerusalem is illegal. (I'm not offering an opinion one way or the other.)

Not everyone agrees.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_settlements#Legal_arguments

Israel has decided, so far at least, not to do that.

Jordan won't take them, nor will Egypt, Lebanon or Syria.

 

Maybe, maybe even probably, but there is a lot that can go wrong.

Yes, and it will include 5m Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.

 

Your post has nothing to do with the topic or my post. Please stay on topic.

 

How many times must I say it. I am moving the State of Israel, not people whom I leave free to make their own choices.

 

In your mind.

 

Yep, but one day, maybe they will move the 'promised land' to where it is safe. Everything starts with something in someone's mind.