Let's move the State of Israel

Do you know what ethnic cleansing is?

 

Conquerors are keeps. Been that way throughout history. Native Americans never had a “state”. By all historical context the native Americans didn’t even comprehend the idea of a state or even land ownership for that matter. So to say it was theirs when they didn’t even claim it is a stretch. Technically we were the first state here as Israel was the first state there.

Not only do we have the claim that it was once Israeli we also have the claim it still is Israeli. The advocation to move an existing and historically existing state because of violent terrorist jack wagons is moronic to say the least.

 

You, of course, continue advancing the same erroneous views about international law.

Just this one time--Wikipedia is okay as a source for casual conversations. I'm not going to spend my time citing sources not readily available--scanning a book, for example--online only to have ideologues dismiss them with a wave of the hand.

In your unsupported opinion.

Israel does not have sovereignty over the West Bank.

"Most legal experts and the United Nations agree that Israeli settlements in the West Bank violate international law.

The 1949 Geneva Convention, which Israel signed, prohibits an occupying state from moving its own civilians into the territory it occupies. According to the International Court of Justice, the UN’s main judicial body, the West Bank is considered occupied territory because it was not part of Israel before the Israeli army conquered it in 1967. Territorial conquest is also forbidden by international law."​

https://theconversation.com/israels-west-bank-settlements-4-questions-answered-127560

No, it didn't. This from the Armistice:

"Article XI

No provision of this Agreement shall in any way prejudice the rights, claims and positions of either Party hereto in the ultimate peaceful settlement of the Palestine question."​

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israel-egypt-armistice-agreement-1949

 

So you believe in the Bible Joe, that's great. Did you know the Bible says to be wary of those that claim to be Jews but aren't?

Who do you think the Bible is referring to?

 

I guess Joe must be an activist for native Americans, since he believes in indigenous rights.

Or maybe only indigenous rights count when those natives are white folks.

 

Especially not in Australia.

https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/wildlife/2013/03/australias-dangerous-animals-the-top-30/

We have to watch what we bring in from Australia, too.

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/crime/2019/04/15/florida-man-killed-on-his-farm-by-cassowary-he-owned/5432897007/

 

Actually the land you call Israel was part of the Aegyptian empire. So by your logic, you will fully support Egypt taking over.

Yeh, see how your logic is a massive fail?

Try harder.

 

The Egyptian empire did conquer the land of Judah a few times. But it was always known as the land of Judah prior as far back as writings will take us.

 

I don’t subscribe to the Bible but I would like to know what you are talking about. I’m always down to learn.

 

When the Egyptians owned it, there was no nation of Israel. The Aegyptians only mention a ppl called Israel, not a nation. This was the first ever written record of a ppl called Israel. So technically, Egypt brough Israel into existence. It was his father.

 

If you don't believe in the Bible then you shouldn't use it as reference for the existence of Israel.

I appreciate your attitude here though, respect. I'll endeavour to reciprocate.

 

Did you know that the place they occupy today was first known as Israel 2700 years ago? It's their place of origin, not someplace selected by throwing a dart at a map in 1948.

 

I’m not, I’m using articles. Would you like my sources?

 

Your source would be the Bible (for Israel's history) but if you don't believe in the Bible then it makes sense that you shouldn't be using it to back up YOUR belief.

 

Leave it to a religious type to rationalize based on ancient history.

 

Indeed I do, and I am still waiting for you to show me any post of mine where I refer to, let alone advocate, racial cleansing.

 

Ah, I see, so if the Arabs conquer the existing State of Israel, you'll be quite happy with that?

 

Yeas, the cassowary is a sneaky bastard, You would not think it when you come across it but it can rip yer guts out, literally.

 

I think I have already dealt with that point, so I intend to say no more, other than ~ I'd love to see the map which is 2700 years old with the word 'Israel' written on it!

 

It was called Judea 2000 years ago. 1,000 years before that it was called Judah and Israel.

 

Message to unwary rube: "Look at those feet!"

 

But isn't the Bible story that whatever they were called at the time, the Israelites abandoned where they were because of famine and moved into Egypt. Then, according to Exodus, Moses led them out to pinch the land then occupied by Palestinians. Exodus 15.14.

 

It's not from a map but history. The nation at that time that was known as Israel was commonly occupied with both Jewish and arabic people. These people and that land have been conquered and oocupied many times over these centuries, but in the beginning of known history, it was indeed Israel. Lots of articles covering it; easy to find.

While there is a lot of such history on the net, here's a short clip, a reference from Wikipedia;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel#Further_reading

"Historians and archaeologists agree that the northern Kingdom of Israel existed by ca. 900 BCE[42][43] and the Kingdom of Judah existed by ca. 850 BCE.[44][45] The Kingdom of Israel was the more prosperous of the two kingdoms and soon developed into a regional power"

 

So you know what ethnic cleansing is, but you don't think moving the Jewish State of Israel to another continent to give their land to a homogenous group of Arabs ruled by a terrorist organization, who has been using targeted attacks against their civilians, isn't ethnic cleansing? Have I got that right?

 

Ashkenazi Jews (who were the ones who founded Israel this century) are mostly European. They do not look Middle Eastern, they look European. The Palestinians they displaced are 100% Middle Eastern. That is an interesting wrinkle isn't it? Not that it matters. All that matters is who has the power to hold the land. People don't talk their way into getting land, they fight their way into getting it. That has always been the way of humanity and it will continue to be so until man goes extinct. If we were to buy Israel's claim that they deserve the land based on past inhabitation, then America/Australia/Canada would have to give up their land to the indigenous people. That is not going to happen. Israel's gets the land because it has the power to take it, end of story. It is a tragedy that South Africa and Rhodesia gave up their power. Now one country is completely destroyed and the other is on the edge of obliteration.

On a side note: Conservative commentator Andrew Klavan was claiming on his show the other day that Jews are God's chosen people. I would like to ask Andrew if God observes the 1 drop rule with regards to the Jewish race. At what admixture does God no longer accept them as his "chosen people".... 70%, 30%, 1%? The Bible does not say.