What should be done about "bad guys" that shelter among civilians?

Ah….the original keyboard warrior….go get em tiger

 

Are you saying you wouldn't defend your family?

 

When you're dead, you protect nothing.

 

Here in the US we have a hyper sensitive concern about "civilians". While no one should be deliberately targeting those they know to be civilians (and I have confidence Israel won't do that), when you are in a war, civilians get killed. Especially when the Palestinians aren't wearing uniforms, which makes it near impossible to tell the difference. And they know this and count on the rest of the world's sympathy; it's their strategy. Realistically, to win a war some civilians will be killed.

Two state solution has been tried repeatedly and failed. The Palestinians won't have it. They want the Israelis wiped out. Period.

 

oh come on mate...there are no civilians...there's only people complicit in perpetuating their own demise....both sides to this...they're all a bunch of crazed religious zealots too caught up in outdated dogma and mutual hatred of each other to be able to contemplate alternatives ....all being stirred up by people bent on making money out of them....they're all their own worst enemies....there are no civilians in this

 

oh c'mon Bill don't take umbridge.....

...bit OTT for a chat site don't you think....

 

Don't try to insult my family, then. In fact, leave my family out of it.

 

You mean open the border for arms to go in to the Palestinians?

 

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Get the civilians to leave. There are only so many hostages, which the limited number of Hamas fighters, can hold, while remaining ready to fight the IDF. This does not put all responsibility, though, on the civilians. Israel, if it is calling for them to leave, should obviously:

1) Guarantee their safety, for the journey, from Israeli bombs. They have only opened a couple of 3-hour windows. And there are reports of Israel having attacked fleeing civilian convoys.

2) Guarantee them a place to stay, once they move to the south, with sufficient shelter, clean water, food, and medical care. This is NOT currently the case. Since this is such a huge displacement of refugees, this is understandable, that Israel could not, necessarily, have so quickly set up adequate accomodations (though I suspect, this has been a very low priority, so has not been addressed to the full of Israeli potential).

However, AID ORGANIZATIONS HAVE VOLUNTEERED THEIR ASSISTANCE. ISRAEL should ACCEPT that help.


3) In 1948, Palestinians were forced from their homes. After the fighting, this land was confiscated by Israel, and those who'd left, lost their homes; were not allowed to return. Palestinians fear that this is a reply of that script. Therefore, Israel's guarantee that all would be allowed to return, after the military campaign, would be helpful in encouraging Palestinians to abandon their residences-- along with knowing that there was a place equipped to handle them, when they arrived; and that they wouldn't be blown up, along the journey.
Does that seem like a lot to ask?

 

Hamas will blend in with the civilians and find safety, only to be repatriated back the Gaza, to coordinate another attack in the future.

 

GET THE CIVILIANS TO LEAVE? How the heck do you distinguish the civilians from Hamas terrorists?? An impossible situation. Israel must protect their citizens and ensure that this kind of massacre doesn't occur again. Irregardless of Palestinian civilians. Any not represented by hamas should leave. And it isn't Israel's problem how they manage that.

 

And leave all their weapons behind? They will not stay, to try to defend all their infrastructure, of tunnels and so forth? That will make it very easy for Israel to confiscate/destroy all of that. And, without their weapons, Hamas will fall out of power, in Gaza... wasn't that Israel's main goal?

 

It gets filed under “fog of war”. I understand there was an HQ below the structure housing the refugees. Blame Hamas for using civilians as defense against attack.

 

Or, you know, drop crates of weapons onto the 'wrong landing zone', give them to 'friendly freedom fighters' who are known to smuggle them in, float them in from the meditaranean at night, let the target overrun a base we evacuated... there's all sorts of proven methods for arming people that we're not sposed to be arming. We're very good at it.

 

There are more weapons where those came from.

 

These subhuman Hamas killers signed their death warrants with their subhuman violence.

 

I doesn't seem like Hamas has a problem getting their hands on weapons or digging more tunnels. Asymmetric warfare is such a successful strategem because it doesn't depend on material or infrastructure that is difficult to replace. All you need is people that are willing to do whatever it takes for the cause. They will get the weapons, dig the tunnels, make the explosives... and Israel seems bent on generating as much of these folks as possible- people who have more to risk death for than they have to live for.

 

GET THE CIVILIANS TO LEAVE? How the heck do you distinguish the civilians from Israeli terrorists?? An impossible situation. Palestine must protect their citizens and ensure that this kind of massacre doesn't occur again. Irregardless of Israeli civilians. Any not represented by Israel should leave. And it isn't Palestine's problem how they manage that.

 

These subhuman animals signed their death warrant and you don't need to put bad guys in quotes.

NOT ANTI-WAR, JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE: I Wrote that Hamas Raped and Beheaded. Yale ‘Corrected’ Me.

'Appended to the article now is the following correction, made without my knowledge: “Editor’s note, correction, Oct. 25: This column has been edited to remove unsubstantiated claims that Hamas raped women and beheaded men.”'

'Anika Seth, the paper’s editor and “one of the inaugural Diversity, Equity & Inclusion co-chairs” at Yale will have a bright future at the New York Times.'

https://instapundit.com/614490/

 

As the end of your reply implies, Modern Paladin, Hamas does not appear concerned with minimizing, at all costs, their own casualties. They are pledging to fight to the death, never surrender, and kill many Israeli soldiers, in the process. Therefore, there is little reason to assume, as does Wild Bill, that Hamas will close down shop, on this fight, blend in with citizens to go to refugee camps, and then, at some point in the future, start from scratch, all over again.

If this was Hamas's thinking, Wild Bill-- why haven't they already escaped, using this method? Instead, they remain, in order to continue fighting. This suggests the radical mentality, which does not have the concern about their situation, that would be reasonable, for any in their position.

Israel's providing actual safe refuge for Palestinians, would not affect Hamas. It would only minimize civilian casualties. The sad truth is that there is, in reality, no safe place, anywhere in Gaza, for civilians. They have even been hit in the south, where they have been told to go, for safety. Another refugee camp was hit today, as well as a second strike, on the Jabalia camp. There is no other way to paint this, other than a disregard, by Israel, for civilian lives.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al...lled-in-israeli-strike-on-bureij-refugee-camp

 

Because as of right now, there are enough of you people defending them to "run away and live to fight another day".

 

That makes no sense. Please try to explain what you mean, by this. Were you aware that Israel has now completely encircled Gaza City, with its troops?

 

IDK. What did King George do about those bad guys hiding among civilians?

 

Please cite unquestioned examples of such happening during the American Revolution?