Who would be the dream candidates for the GOP/DNC?

I’ve been a huge Tammy Duckworth fan for years. But regards for the constitution seems not to enter the play for quite a lot of voters. Of course, most voters aren’t political junkies. You’d be surprise at the number of voters who take the “Trump is out to destroy democracy,” as campaign rhetoric, a vote for me against Trump slogan. They don’t give it a thought. All they know is they dislike both presumptive major party candidates.


I’d like to have seen an Andy Beshear, a Laura Kelly or Duckworth. That’s not going to happen. There however, is a real fear out there about Biden’s age, his ability to survive another 4 years and how his age effects his mental acumen. This is something I don’t think the democrats have taken into consideration or at least serious consideration. Age always comes up when talking about Biden, corruption and criminality about Trump. These 20-25% of the electorate think it is high past time for a much younger, fresher face. Not two old foggies.


In 2020 Biden was seen as a very acceptable alternative to Trump. In 2024, he’s not. They want someone else. Even if Colorado is moot, most of that 20-25% will either vote third party or stay home and not vote at all. They’ll refuse to choose between two disliked and unwanted candidates. At least that is as of today. Perhaps as the election draws nearer, things will change. But I doubt it. They’ve been steady for 2 years now. Trump and Biden neck and neck in a rematch of an election most Americans don’t want. Yet will be forced on them by two intransigent major parties.

 

In 2024, any number of alternatives of both Parties to old foggy Trump are preferable, Biden among them, although not foremost among them.

"Trump is out to destroy America," is a sentiment I hear expressed by many respected, conservative Republicans, including those who served in his administration. It is based upon his own raving, not a partisan slogn.

Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution

Trump, again, praises dictators and rails against immigrants


Trump Labeled An ‘Authoritarian Narcissist’ As Members Of His
Own Party Turn On Him

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Biden's is documented. His birth certificate is on file at a courthouse.
ANY crime by Trump is pure speculation. There is no CONVICTION on file at any courthouse... anywhere.

 

In 2028 DeSantis, Haley, and Ramaswamy will be in their prime, and the democrats will have comparable candidates.
2024 is the last gasp of the baby boomers. It's time for a new crew to water the tree of freedom, or let it die.

 

"Comparable" candidates?" Like Kamela? LOLOL

 

All of that may be true, but that’s not how all Americans look at it. You have a quarter to a third of the voters who really dislike both major party candidates. Republicans and democrats, as far as party affiliation goes are even and they cancel each other out at the ballot box. Who wins will be decided by the quarter to a third of the population who don’t want neither major party candidate to be the next president?


The last time we had two major party candidates as disliked and unwanted as Trump and Biden are was 2016. In that election voter turnout using VAP was 54%, 137 million along with 6% of those who actually voted, voting third party, some 8.2 million voters. Compare those numbers to 2020, voter turnout 62%, 160 million, 1.7% voted third party, 2.7 million voters. What this shows is when both major party candidates are disliked and unwanted, more folks stay home, don’t vote, refuse to choose along with those voting third party against both major party candidate rises sharply. The 6% voting third party in 2016 was the most since Ross Perot ran. I fully expect another low voter turnout for 2024 along with an extra high third-party vote. That is what the numbers are showing today. Although this could change, I doubt it will.


All rhetoric aside, I continue to take the pulse of the nation. The entire nation which now has many voters very dissatisfied to put it mildly with who the two major parties are running.

 

That I totally agree with. I'd say 2024 is the time, last gasp or not.

 

If you have such a solid comprehension of the "pulse" of the nation, can you explain to me why some folks dislike Trump so intensely? He has never been convicted of any crime. He has a big mouth sometimes, but that has no impact on me or my family. All I think of when Trump's name comes up is his proven track record of cheaper gas, lower inflation, less crime, more secure borders, fewer wars, lower taxes... all sorts of good stuff.

 

Gabbard/RFK

 

It’s democrats that have the intense dislike of Trump. Independents, the election deciders dislike Trump, but not to the intensity of Democrats. Independents have disliked Trump ever since he first entered the race for the presidency back in 2015. You touched on the reason. It’s Trump the man, the person, the individual they dislike, but not necessarily his policies. Independents dislike Trump’s obnoxious, rude, uncouth personality. They dislike his childish antics like name calling, throwing temper tantrums along with his 3rd grade schoolyard bullying tactic. They think Trump’s behavior was way below the dignity the office of the presidency deserved. As for his policies, independents were fairly split on those, for some, against some. To use a metaphor, most independents view Trump, his behavior, his big mouth as a spoiled 4-year-old brat who never learned any manners.

I think if Trump had a different personality, he’d have won reelection over Biden easily. Biden came across as the only adult in the room. As so, Biden won independents 54-41 over Trump. This after Trump had won independents in 2016 46-44 over Clinton with 12% voting third party against both Trump and Clinton. For 2024, independents still dislike Trump, the man, the person. Now they dislike Biden, but with Biden it’s more the poor job he’s done as president. Also, his age, he looks old and frail, they fear he won’t be able to survive another 4 years and worry about his mental acumen. But as a person, independents still like Biden.

What we have going for 2024 is a candidate really disliked as a person vs. another candidate whose job performance is dislike and found wanting. In the end around 60% of independents view both Biden and Trump negatively. But for completely different reasons. They dislike and don’t want neither one as their next president. That much is for sure. We’ll have to wait until Nov 2024 to find out which one independent dislike the least. Whether it’s the dislike of the person or the dislike of the job performance. This is a choice most independents don’t want to make; hence, many will just stay home and not vote and among those who do vote, expect a very high third-party vote as they vote against both Trump and Biden. Probably close to 20% or over if any third-party candidate is well financed. Today independents breakdown Biden 30%, Trump 32%, RFK Jr.22%, West 6%, Stein 6%. That’s 34% of independents who say they’d vote third party if the election were held today. Of Course, Republicans will vote for Trump, Democrats for Biden. This shows the disdain independents have for both Trump and Biden.

 

I want my President to ensure the safety and prosperity of my family. That means keeping inflation down, keeping our enemies at bay, fighting terrorism, lowering taxes, avoiding excess spending, maintaining order and the rule of law. Those things effect the safety and prosperity of me and my family.

Trump has a big mouth. So what/ That doesn't affect the safety or prosperity of my family at all. I don't care if he sleeps with aardvarks. All those things mean is that I won't invite him over for a BBQ or go out for a beer with him. But because he has a proven track record of keeping inflation down, keeping our enemies at bay, fighting terrorism, lowering taxes, avoiding excess spending, maintaining order and the rule of law, all things that keep my family safe and prosperous, he 'll get my vote if he gets the nomination.

 

For most Americans, Trump's big mouth, this rude behavior along with his childish antics is a big thing. Before Trump or anyone else can govern and do what you say, they first must get elected. Trump may do that this time or not. Trump and Biden need each other. Almost any other Republican would smash Biden, almost any other democrats than Biden would trouce Trump. This is an rematch of an election made in hell for most Americans.

 

Trump kept inflation down, gas cheaper, the border more secure, violence down. He kept our enemies at bay, lowered taxes, America strong. That's all I want from a President. That is what President's should do. If I'm looking for moral guidance I'll call a priest. If I want pleasant conversation, I'll have my friends over. If I want a drinking buddy I'll call on a colleague.

No one is "all things to all people". Trump isn't someone I'd have over as a babysitter. But as a President... he has a proven track record of doing well.

 

Well given where this thread headed why was the question asked? I mean isn't the answer obvious.

Here are your next President and Vice President.

 

Each individual has their own reason/s why they vote the way they do or for who. Whatever the reason/s, they’re important to the voter. The dislike factor always is a key factor. You can go back to 1972, the candidate with the highest unfavorable has always lost with one lone exception. 2016 when Clinton was seen unfavorably by 56% of all Americans to Trump’s 60% unfavorable. But even in 2016, Hillary won the popular vote, but lost the election.

 

I'm not into statistics. I'm into cheaper gas, lower inflation, stronger military, fighting terrorism, law and order, lower taxes. The only number I know is that I support THOSE THINGS... 100%.