Who would be the dream candidates for the GOP/DNC?

Ron De Santis is reasonably moderate?

https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/5/25/23736141/ron-desantis-2024-florida-legislature-policies

https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/...ng-number-of-discriminatory-measures-into-law

https://people.com/ron-desantis-loses-biggest-campaign-donor-extremist-views-7570592

https://www.salon.com/2022/07/30/ron-desantis-accused-of-extremism_partner/

https://www.economist.com/united-st...s-six-week-abortion-ban-brings-risks-to-women






Some Republicans can be very extreme....this one stopped me and demanded twinkies and herr you can see her explaining she needs more twinkies or I die.....I am not sure you know what extremism means....

 

Every candidate up has short comings, and I agree, Haley's is economics and perhaps she's a bit naive when it comes to business partnerships. But, with the right VP she'd be an unbeatable team.

I'd love to see Haley approach Trump and basically ask him; assuming for our discussion that somehow you are not on the ballot in 2024 what role would you want to play in my administration? And if Trump would take a cabinet level role I'd want Haley to seriously consider it. She could also discuss her role with him if he was on the ballot, but I truly do not see Trump on the ballot for 2024.
Or for that matter, I don't think Biden will be on the ballot. The democrats have to get their poop grouped and decide a plan B.

 

Pure and simple arrogance. There is no one-to-one replacement. Solar, wind, and waves are opportunistic sources and it is the way it is.
One would expect the leaders of the country to be sympathetic to this simple fact of life.

 

Wait.
You expect this bunch to take care of OUR business?
How quaint ....

 

You don't seem to understand that Haley and Trump are not "on the same team".

Trump plays for 'We The People' on Main Street.... Haley plays for 'The Professionally Republican Uniparty' on Wall Street....

By the way, what ever happened to Haley's promise that she wouldn't run against Trump? Typical backstabbing slime-ball swamp politician.........

 

Not on the same team?????
Well, they would be if their interests align, right??
Oh. Wait. You mean trump bad mouthing Haley.
Like Harris is bad mouthing Biden you mean?

This is politics, not besties in 9th grade.

 

I doubt that, although the US system needs reform there was little or fraud, certainly not enough to tip the balance. I take your point although again it's a question of the polls and the practice, look at Hilary in 2016. It's possible people might still shy away from Trump at the last.

I would argue yes they are, in the Commonwealth you have the King as a figurehead and people vote for the party they want, the head of the biggest party becomes PM either with a direct majority or as part of a coalition, it means you don't have just 2 parties diametrically opposed to one another, there's room for differing opinions.

 

Yep, where is the extremism there? And why is everyone moving to Florida? I'm not sure YOU know what extremism means.

 

Hence why we need nuclear as a fallback. That said you still must produce oil for lubricants, plastics etc

 

The Green Weenies won't allow nuclear, so there is that.

 

Actually that's a big debate within the Green movement.

 

Trump has polluted and perverted our democratic elections and party dynamics to the point that any candidate would be vehemently opposed by a significant percentage of the hyper-partisan American electorate.

I cannot think of any potential candidate of either Party who would command widespread support in the current fetid political atmosphere, but a libertarian opposed to the intensifying statist, authoritarian intrusion into science, medicine, education, personal liberty, etc. - would have an allure these days.

Who would be the least likely to exploit political power to pleasure himself with dictatorial vendettas?

 

The plummeting cost of clean energy is hastening the inevitable transformation. The toll that dirty fuels are inflicting on the planet is unsustainable.

Falling cost of renewable energy is leading the race to net zero

Green energy is cheaper than fossil fuels
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You appear to be laboring under a delusion. The vast majority of Americans are not consigning themselves to the "Dangling Appendage" state.

Why Are People Moving Out of Florida?​

 

While I agree with your assessment. What we have today, in today’s modern political era of polarization, the great divide, the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship is each major party basically viewing those of the other party as enemies to this nation. Both view the other party as out to destroy democracy.

Americans agree that the 2024 election will be pivotal for democracy, but for different reasons

https://www.yahoo.com/news/americans-agree-2024-election-pivotal-050541735.html

But does it all boil down to two major party candidates? When looking at polls that give the voters more than two choices, Trump or Biden. That gives them independents like West and RFK Jr. the Green party and Libertarian Party. What we have is around 35% favoring Trump, 35% favoring Biden, 30% not want neither one favoring one of the independents or third-party candidates.

That leaves the question, if Trump is replaced due to the Colorado ruling, where do most of those 30% who dislike both Trump and Biden and don’t want neither one to become the next president. Where do they come down? We know they don’t like or want Biden, but what about the candidate that replaces Trump? Will that candidate be more palatable to this 30%? I don’t know.

 

While I am by no means ecstatic over either probable nominee, I recognize the vital need to uphold democracy and the rule of law.

The existential distinction between a candidate who respects the Constitution, American elections, and the will of the People, as well as our justice system and public servants, vs one who has blatant contempt for them all when they do not grovel before his bloated ego, does not afford me the luxury of casting a purely symbolic vote.

 

There would be a runoff of Haley and DeSantis. Or if past the primary, it would be settled in a marijuana smoke filled room.

BTW, Republican candidates run as extreme but move to the center when elected, usually trying to cut expenses and juice business to create jobs, and prefer to leave social issues to the states like socialized medical care, and welfare dole outs.

 

No but there is a drain of population to there, especially from the blue states

 

Why do you question DeSantis' position is moderate. Is it because he opposes cutting of the genitals of children? Because he opposes children learning how to give blow jobs?

 

No, it's because he CLAIMS he's against such things as a way to whip up the ultra right wing despite the fact that NONE of that is happening. (aka he is lying)

 

Do you have anything SPECIFIC to justify that statement? Exactly what did he do to "whip up the ultra right"? Exactly what? Your statement is so vague a vacuous as to be meaningless. What did he do? When? Where?

 

Here’s something I just received which shows the disdain for a good number of folks for both Trump and Biden, upholding democracy or not. In a three-way race: Biden 38%, Trump 36%, RFK Jr. 22%. In a five-way race: Biden 36%, Trump 38%, RFK Jr.16%, West 3%, Stein 3%.

https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us12202023_regvoter_uopw25.pdf

Regardless of a three way or a five way, 22% of all Americans are stating they’ll vote for someone other than Trump or Biden. Again, if Trump is removed from the ballot, those 22% still don’t like and don’t want Biden. I’d bet quite a lot to most would opt for the GOP candidate depending on that candidate is over Biden.

 

YOU'RE the one who said he opposes "cutting genitals of children" or "children learning how to give blow jobs"

Did he say he opposed those things or not? You're the one claiming he did. My response was to YOUR claims. If your claims are false then I will retract my reaction to them.

 

Ok... on trannies... DeSantis limits trans treatments, drag shows, pronoun use in Florida (bbc.com)
On children being exposed to adult sex... DeSantis signs bill targeting explicit books in schools | AP News

Waiting on your retraction.

 

Biden has not shown contempt for the Constitution, democratic elections, or our justice system, has not evidenced a propensity for dictatorship, nor a disposition to use the office for petty vendettas, and he has not been indicted for any crimes related to demonstrating such contempt, despite his relentless demonization by Trump and his lickspittles.

Despite global inflation, the nation' economy is relatively sound, finally rebuilding a crumbling infrastructure, and is again being accorded international respect. The huge surge in illegal immigration demands a comprehensive, bipartisan policy, but some would rather have it as an issue to whine about.

A deal on U.S. border policy is closer than it seems
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I would not label Trump worshipers vermin who have polluted the blood of the GOP, but their fanatical fealty to the Loser has perverted the Party, and they are clearly a threat to the nation.

My support for the Constitution, democratic elections, and our justice system makes the President the clearly superior candidate, despite my wishing for a Pritzker, a Duckworth, a Sununu, or many others.