‘Poisoning the blood of our country’: Trump delivers caustic attack on immigrants

LOL! Godwin would be proud of this thread.

 

String together a few words and make a RELEVANT argument if you can. Youve not yet disputed anything Ive said about the chart.

 

No, that would be YOUR point regarding illegal immigrant households # of residents. Likely some stereotype created in YOUR mind that all illegal immigrants live in tiny "safe houses" with 40 people stacked on top of each other.

 

What are you talking about?

 

“Godwin's law can be applied mistakenly or abused as a distraction, a diversion, or even censorship, when miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole even when the comparison made by the argument is appropriate.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20090715142410/http://www.reason.com/news/show/32944.html

 

The "country" does not contain blood, but it does contain discourse and that has definitely been poisoned. Trump has made his contributions to this pollution, but he is not the only nor even the worst example, merely another bad one.

 

What a state does is separate from what the federal government does. Federally, migrants and illegals cannot obtain federal benefits, generally. This includes Section 8 housing, AFDC, SNAP, and other things. Their USC children, who are USC BTW, may be eligible. If an alien is applying for a U visa and is a victim of domestic violence, then they have a max of 180 days of Medicare/Medicaid. That's it. The housing and other things that you are complaining about are temporary at best paid by the state or city, not the federal government, in the same way, that many people will find when their town is hit by a natural disaster in which temporary housing can be accomplished. In the end, the migrants are here to work, mostly in agricultural areas or in the shadows of the economy that people like you pay no attention to. More than likely, the Jesus that you pay to mow your lawn is probably an illegal or is working for a company you found on Angi list or something similar.

Finally, in your desperate attempt, it shows you don't know the facts, but rely on the internet myths because it fits your political idealogy. So, stop the faux emotional outrage here because quite frankly, you really don't give a damn about anything or anyone.

 

ER at the hospital. You truly don't know what the hell you are talking about. Yes, I read your post.

Let's look at hospitals here. 90% to 95% of all hospitals are 501c3 organizations. God forbid you have to go to the ER, the first thing they will do is treat you, not ask for a damn payment. The second thing they will is try to find the next of kin, a relative, a friend, or someone and see if the HIPAA designation needs to be signed. This person is not responsible for paying, but they one cannot simply walk out of the ER on their own in most cases. That is why that next of kin, relative or friend will pick you up. In some cases, a taxi cab, but generally no public transportation. There are even groups, and nonprofit organizations that do this sort of thing, especially for homeless people. But this is once they perform a triage, assuming it is not a life/death situation. At the end, they will ask for any type of insurance. If you have none, a social worker will come. In the end, the bill still comes. Several options are involved. First, a payment plan. Second, indigent care option. The third plan is any type of temporary state or federal government insurance. For Medicare/medicaid, it is a max of 180 days if it meets the few exceptions allowed by law. And they are very few. The point is, it is limited and does not apply to every Juan, Jorge, or Jesus that walks in that door. It will apply to any homeless person who is in the ER as well and they don't always qualify for. Thus, the whole point is it is more complicated than the simplicity you are sold to on the internet. It is a bunch of crap, spoken by people who are either lying to you intentionally or don't know what the hell they are talking about.

 

First, you don't live in NYC do you. Second, NYC is NOT the federal government, which was your claim to begin with in that laundry list of yours. Third, it was Abbott who is transporting them there with no warning whatsoever. Fourth, the mayor decided to do so. Fifth, at best, it is temporary until they find work or a relative takes them in whether in NYC, nearby, or elsewhere. With Abbott doing this and this "free ride" that they are being transported from Texas to NYC by bus or air, which is paid by Texas tax dollars, that publicity stunt by Gov. Abbott also encourages them to come here. It is not a detriment whatsoever and shows the limited thinking of GOP leaders as well as the rank and file such as you. Congrats.

 

A "perception of truth" is an opinion, not fact. However, if you and I witness an accident, a car accident as pedestrians, we will each see what we saw. Neither of us will see all of it. You might be focused on one car while I was focused on another car. But in the end, we will have overlapping information. It is the job of the traffic investigator to gather all information, make sense of it, and file an accident report. Thus, the accident report becomes the facts of the case, as told by one or more witnesses, including any camera footage that may apply.

 

If an illegal is working, there is a benefit. First, they will pay taxes: income, SS, Medicare, and/or sales tax. They will pay rent, which adds to the GDP. They will pay for the normal things you and I pay for such as food, transportation, shelter, personal items, etc. Nothing extravagant, but the bare necessities. They generally don't complain. Their kids go to school just like everyone else, but generally public school. They jobs they do is what no American does, wants to do, inspires to do, etc based on the pay they are getting. And yet, they don't complain, they get by, they stay in the shadows, etc.

For contractors, you don't know the business very well. I have never met a general contractor or subcontractor who said, "Geez, I wish I could pay more for my employees." The fact is that contractors bid on jobs and it is based on the lowest cost. Oh hell, just look at the Space Shuttle. It was built by the "lowest bidder." Ironic isn't it because the Space Shuttle in and of itself was a feat of aerospace engineering. Thus the bidding contract dictates how many workers they need for the job, how long, and generally the pay that is involved. Otherwise, if you had no illegals, prices of new homes will skyrocket, among other things because those wages are passed down in part or in full, to the cost plus markup of the final product.

 

How is the border out of control? Are the border patrol agents not doing their job? Or is it that you don't like to see long waiting lines at the border because there are too many of them? Those deportation hearings by the IJ is what Trump did and stopped the catch-and-release program that was very effective in deterring illegal immigration. But people like you don't want to catch and release because that is too complicated for you to think about. You just want to put up the sign "We are full, go home" and think that works too. It doesn't much like how alcohol demand proliferated during the prohibition era, along with organized crime and other detriments as a comparison. Geez, think before you post again Blues, if you can.

 

I don't think you understand what control means. WE cannot control nearly everything outside our borders. Those people you are seeing are in Mexico, not the US. Thus, we have no direct control over them when they go from their home country to our borders. What we do have control is how to handle them once they enter our territory either at the POE or if they sneak across the border. For that we have laws, and those laws maintain the control with the LEOs enforcing those laws.

What you want to argue is to change those laws. Well, that takes an act of congress and signed by the President. But you guys, are not so bright. As much as you complain, you don't want to give Biden any hope to solve the problem, at least temporarily. It is why Sen. Johnson sabatoged and was damn proud of it of any border deal with the aid.

 

The left has gone all in with post-modernism.

It considers "reality" to be a mental construct.[14] Postmodernism rejects the possibility of unmediated reality or objectively-rational knowledge, asserting that all interpretations are contingent on the perspective from which they are made;[5] claims to objective fact are dismissed as naive realism.[4]
Postmodernism - Wikipedia

 

With control over our border, we could prevent them from crossing in the first place or at a minimum reduce their #s to a manageable minimum.

 

Just to set the record straight Hitler wrote Mein Kampfe while in prison for

This has nothing to do with immigration law. You want to welcome these 'migrants' with open arms; provided someone else pays for their accommodation, food, medical care, education etc.
How about you offering to give these migrants everything they've been promised?
As for immigration law which you are so conversant with.

(a) Authority to apply for asylum.

(1) In general
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien's status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

(2) Exceptions
(A) Safe third country
Paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the Attorney General determines that the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien's nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien's last habitual residence) in which the alien's life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien would have access to a full and fair procedure for determining a claim to asylum or equivalent temporary protection, unless the Attorney General finds that it is in the public interest for the alien to receive asylum in the United States.

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1158&num=0&edition=prelim

 

The myth of the fruit picker .....

Pretending they only take jobs no Americans do. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Do you know how many illegals undercut legitimate contractors by working under the table with no contractors license or taxes or inspections or anything of the sort?

Any of them being paid under the table are not contributing a damn thing in taxes.

On top of undercutting legitimate businessmen who do.

You don't think any of them work in restaurants or other jobs?

How much do you think illegal immigration cost America annually?

 

Let's sum up the @Alwayssa's position

• We should have open borders. No one is an illegal.
• There can be no limits on the amount of people who come into this country. The entire world is entitled to come to the United States and receive benefits.
• Anyone who opposes @Alwayssa's that is an ignorant bigot who must be ignored and perhaps silenced.
• We can slice hairs and differentiate the tax burden between state and local government as an excuse to say the the illegals cost us nothing. Of course that argument goes away if Eric Adams and other big city mayors get money from the Federal Government to pay for the strain the illegals are putting on their spending.
• If you don't live in New York City, you are not allowed to complain about what the illegals are costing us. Since I have relatives who are living there, and have concerns for their safety, I think I do have an interest in the issue. I am also concerned about the pressure illegals are putting on the education system, and the enforcement of the law.
• The State of Texas and all border states should bear of the expense and dangers that result from open borders. Those states cannot ship the illegals to northern cities unless they invited to do so.
• We don't know what @Alwayssa's position is when the Federal Government ships illegals to northern states and cities. It's wrong for Texas to do it in his opinion, but I guess it's okay for the Federal Government to do it since the Federal Government is the source of all that is great and just.
• Even the Biden administration has recognized that they now have a problem. They have sent Tony Blinkin and Mayorkas to talk with Mexico to talk about it.
• This month over 620,000 illegals have flooded the country with more coming. That is an all-time record.

But illegal immigration is not a problem. The U.S. should be unique in the world as a country without borders. It's what we owe the world because of years of misdeeds, right?

 

I'm not talking outside our borders I am talking our borders and what is coming inside of them. The people I am seeing are coming ACROSS that border and the Biden administration his handing them free tickets to wherever they want to go and then room and board and medical care when they get there. Along with that a card that says report to your court date NINE YEARS FROM NOW. It didn't take an act of Congress for Biden to rescind the measures Trump had in place that were giving us that control nor would it to put them back in place. This isn't about LEGAL migration at our LEGAL POE's this is about an invasion all along our southern border this administration is apparently content to allow to happen.

 

We are setting RECORDS. Hearing cards being given out are for NINE YEARS FROM NOW. How is that IN control?

Of controlling the border??? NO Biden has them PROCESSING illegals and transporting them away and when they do you want them thrown in jail, recall the phony whipping incident?

Trump had them stay on the other side and would have had more barriers up were it not for the Dems who refused to allow him to do so. This is BIDEN's by his invitation to all the people in the world to come here and cross illegally and get your free transportation and meals and hotelroom and cell phone and money in your pocket and a NINE YEAR wait but by then I am quite sure the Dems and you will be crying we need to make them all citizens and give them a vote.

 

Even Godwin has admitted that you guys are badly mischaracterizing his "law."

 

There is a LEGAL way to come here and be employed. They come here because Biden told them come illegally and not only will I get you a work permit I will give you free transportation, free food, free healthcare, free education, a free hotel room you can trash, and even money in your pocket along with a free cell phone and don't worry long before your court date my fellow Dems/Progs will cry out how you MUST be made a citizen!

 

Most people don't have such a legal pathway, and even when it does exist, it is insane. And no one here illegally is getting a work permit, free transportation, free food, etc. Those people are here legally seeking asylum. And NO ONE has EVER claimed, in the ENTIRE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY that citizenship is required first, nor has that ever been a requirement for moving here. Ever. At any point in time.

 

They were abusing the asylum claims. They want economic asylum which of course is not a valid reason to come here so they're coached into saying that they fear for their life

 

Nothing you just said actually addresses what you quoted.