Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza

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  1. notme

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    They voted, so it was democracy.
     
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    Yes, I've seen enough; I'm for stopping all aid to Israel except for the very specific munitions used for the Iron Dome...
     
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    fair enough. But it's not like Israel is going to allow inspections. So everything shipped by or towards Israel becomes a legit target.
     
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    You are right - Islamic fighters don't fear death, but they will be very disappointed in the Muslim paradise - the newest translation of this hadith tells that they will be awarded with one 72 year virgin and not with 72 virgins,
     
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    Yes, Palestinians are not illegal immigrants, but the West Bank under the military rule and residents of the Western Bank do not have the same right as citizens of the occupying force. This always happens when one country occupies the territory of another country. With Palestinians there is another problem - Palestinians never had they own country - Gaza was under Egyptian occupation until 1967 and the West Bank was under Jordanian occupation.
    Yes, racist, far-right Jewish settlers attack Palestinians and racist Palestinians kill Jews - in the West Bank and in the proper Israel.
     
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    These are war crimes done by Israel. The Jews controlling Israel arm those settlers. The Geneva Convention is rather clear that all them Israeli Jews colonizing the state of Palestine are illegal. The UNSC even made a binding resolution against Israel, demanding to remove their citizens out of the West Bank and East-Jerusalem. But Israel refuses, and makes their war crime bigger. This is the unprovoked attack that Israel with it's Jews are committing. They have forfeited their right of self defense because of that. Their war crime predates Hamas. And all the terror and murder is where you lot look the other way, while keep on voting the same nazi-like governments to go forth with terror, murder and colonization.
     
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    I don't agree with you on much but Israel needs to stop doing that. I hope they are held accountable.
     
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    Try to remember:
    If a theory contradicts reality we throw away the theory and not the reality.
    In the conflict between Israel and Palestinians both sides committed atrocities which maybe can be classified as a war crimes.

    And now back to reality:
    In 1947 UN decided to partition Palestine to Jewish and Palestinian parts – Jews agreed, Arabs did not agree.
    After Jews declare creation of the state of Israel - Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Transjordan and local Palestinians attacked Israel. Arabs lost the war and the state of Israel gained more territories:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War

    After 6 Days War Israel proposed peace in exchange territories. Arab countries responded with "The Three Noes of Khartoum": no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with Israel,

    When Rabin and Olmert tried to reach two state solution, Hamas started to send to Israel suicide bombers to stop negotiations:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

    Hamas succeeded – it convinced Israelis that Palestinians don’t want peace.

    When on Oct 7 Hamas attacked Israel killing about 1200 Israelis, mostly civilians, raped Israeli women, kidnapped women, kids and old people - Israel responded by attacking Hamas which hides between the civilian population:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel

    And this is today’s reality.
     
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    And the Jews killed Rabin.
    Since than the UN proclaimed against the will of Israel that Palestine is a state.
    Since than the UNSC demands that Israel to comply with the Geneva Conventions and must remove it's citizens out of the state of Palestine, which includes East-Jerusalem.

    I'm rather sure you are aware of this.

    The Jews refuse to want peace. They vote and go forth with colonizing the state of Palestine through murdering and terrorizing the Arabs. They even have done so right after the signing of the Oslo accords and never stopped. This shows they never had any intent to comply with the accords / shows they never intended to have peace.

    The Jewish government arms their colonists and together with their army and with total impunity terrorize and murder Arabs in the state of Palestine. That makes it so that the Jews are the violent oppressor of the Arabs. And this violent oppressing is driven by racism. Funny that you lot always just happen to forget about it for the sake that you lot can claim to be the victim. But you're not.

    And than the Jews ordered to Arabs to march south, which is part of ethnic cleansing all of Gaza. A war crime.
    The Jews than bombed the south with the biggest unguided bombs they got.
    That's genocidal and very much like Hitler. And so again a war crime. By doing so, the Jews have massacred far more civilians than the other way around. This is the reality how it always is going. Jews massacre far more civilians than the other way around. Jews have kidnapped people without a crime / trial in sight, with no access to a lawyer all the time. Etc etc etc. The Jews also got an active policy to deny the civilians of Gaza to get enough food, clean water and medical aid. That too is a war crime. The Jews have also massacred over a 100 people from the media. Some were even droned to death while on the job. That too is a war crime. Heck, even reporters without borders is dragging your government to the international courts over this.

    How Jews massacred the hostages taken by Hamas, shows how this all works. They must have thought they were Arabs, and just execute first 2 of them at close range. One escaped. They tricked him back in the open, to execute him as well at close range on purpose. This is what Jews have been doing in the West-Bank for decades. And you're here to defend it all.
     
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    Well, no.
     
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    Not seeing an argument how voting suddenly isn't democratic.
    You're just saying no, because your side was with the 9 who voted against it, while well over a 100 voted for, and subsequently you lot got outvoted in a massive way.
     
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    Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Palestine is illegal under international law Palestinians have the legal right to resist the illegal occupation; Israel has no legal or moral right to inflict one:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israe... illegality,some combination of these factors.

    "Scholars have largely concluded that, regardless of whether it was initially legal, the occupation has become illegal over time.[233]

    "Reasons cited for its illegality include use of force for impermissible purposes such as annexation, violation of the Palestinian right to self-determination, that the occupation itself is an illegal regime 'of alien subjugation, domination and exploitation', or some combination of these factors.[234]"
     
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    Because the UN is not a democratically formed body.
     
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    https://twitter.com/readalittlepoem/status/1733864535960748514

    "If I must die,
    you must live
    to tell my story
    to sell my things
    to buy a piece of cloth
    and some strings,
    (make it white with a long tail)
    so that a child, somewhere in Gaza
    while looking heaven in the eye
    awaiting his dad who left in a blaze —
    and bid no one farewell
    not even to his flesh
    not even to himself —
    sees the kite, my kite you made, flying up above,
    and thinks for a moment an angel is there
    bringing back love.
    If I must die
    let it bring hope,
    let it be a story."
     
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    — War Against the Jews: How to End Hamas Barbarism by Alan Dershowitz
    https://a.co/hFomEqB
     
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    Hamas builds extensive tunnel systems in Gaza and under the Gazan borders with Israel and Egypt but does not build shelters for civilians. Why is that??

    — War Against the Jews: How to End Hamas Barbarism by Alan Dershowitz
    https://a.co/5oTuDTg
     
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    Israel is attacking a country who built its military in a manner that the civilians protect its military, Not in a way that the military protects its citizens. What blows me away is you consider Israel the war criminal when the Geneva Convention says someone who builds a military in the manner Hamas (Gaza’s government) has is the actual war criminal.

    I Support Israel’s attacks and always will. To not allow them to target military operations because Hamas built it that way is to force Israel to continue to be attacked with impunity.

    Oct 7th killed roughly 1200 Israelis. Pearl Harbor was 2900 killed and 9-11 was 2400 killed Americans. When speak of percentage of population it was a much larger dent than our big days in history were. They have every right to attack those who attack them.
     
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    — War Against the Jews: How to End Hamas Barbarism by Alan Dershowitz
    https://a.co/ccB95e8
     
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    The West Bank was part of Jordan who lost the six day war in which Israel won theWest Bank which is crucial to Israel’s security. Jordan doesn’t want the West Bank returned to them. Israel also won the Sinai Peninsula and the Golan Heights which it returned to Egypt and Syria respectively under a peace negotiation.

    Jews did not colonize any global territory. Did the Jews colonize America? No. An example of colonization is the British in India.
     
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    Dershowitz gets Crushed by Norman Finklestein in the Piers Morgan interview

    Bibi is engaging in collective punishment - Ethnic Cleansing - and as the Ireland delegate to the UN stated "The Hague is too good for Bibi"
     
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    What part of "you got outvoted in a massive way" via democratic process is not crystal clear from the post Jack ?
    Its called Ethnic Cleansing, War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity .. which is why so many voted against the US Jack .. and why the US should not be supporting and apologizing for what is going on in Gaza.
     
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    Nice dodge.

    Finklestein’s discussion confirmed Dershowitz’s point. All the violence that is and has occurred in Gaza is the responsibility of Hamas/Iran. Finklestein’s method of discussion is completely intellectually dishonest. He gives an opinion/statement and then finds some quote without context that agrees and implicitly claims that is proof. Laughable.
     
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    "Those who call themselves anti-Zionists usually insist they are not anti-Semites. But I struggle to see what else to call an ideology that seeks to eradicate only one state in the world - the one that happens to be the Jewish one - while empathetically insisting on the rights of self-determination for every other minority." --Bari Weiss
     
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