Nikki's taking off the gloves.

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  1. Endeavor

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    so your argument is blue starts has 70% GDP because all the wealthy republican lives in blue state. All the RED state’s are poor because all the poor republican lives in RED state.

    I just wonder why rich republican lives in Blue state and not RED state.
     
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    To the extent that's true, it's true among the Democrats as well. If Biden put the country ahead of his own ambition he would have signaled a while ago that he would step aside for a younger nominee. I voted for Biden in 2020 in the expectation/hope that he would be a one-term Trump-stopper. He's now too old to be fit for the office.
     
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    Nonsense! I voted for Biden in 2020 not being completely convinced. But he has EXCEEDED, by far, my expectations.

    So no.... you are on your own on your partisan expectations about your candidate.
     
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    Your expectations are your own, and not my concern. For me, Biden is disqualified by the dishonor in Afghanistan and his failing mental faculties. There's more, but those are sufficient.
     
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    Makes no difference if they're your concern or not. They are based on facts and non-partisan concern for the country (the fact that this just happens to coincide with the party I've supported most often is purely coincidental). Yours, as per your own admission, are NOT!
     
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    I'm not sure to what admission you refer, but that too is not a concern. I know you are unconstrained by facts.
     
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    I didn't say that. Please read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.

    Let's go slower and draw a picture for you.

    I said that Nixon in 1967, sabotaged the Johnson initiative which Johnson was trying to negotiate with the North Vietnamese. When Nixon was president, he did the same thing, eventually the Paris Peace Accords of 1972. We withdrew all combat forces in Vietnam by 1973, and by 1975, we left Vietnam with our tails between our legs through the rooftop of our embassy. We were frantic in the last days, and it was not orderly, nor was any retreat orderly in any of the world's history from any battle or war. Not even the Germans had an "orderly retreat" in 1945 or the French and other allied forces in 1940. We have romanticized retreats from our war films, but not reality.
     
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    The Blue Card is a work visa that will replace the H2A, H2B, and H3 visas that we currently have. It just does not require an employer to sponsor the foreign worker. This is how migration has changed over the past 50 years and it does have some bipartisan support, along with businesses, and so forth. But it also allows foreign workers to be vetted through our immigration process and alllows more of them to actually have SS and Medicare taxes deducted from paychecks. It was proposed in the 2007 Comprehensive Immigration Program and approved by GWB, and was in the 2011 Comprehensive Immigration Reform by Obama. It was even proposed in the 2017 Trump immigration proposal. Oh hell, even the EU has such a program now within its system for foreign workers from one country to the next within the EU and outside the EU.

    https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/...VGUG-kaGmiZeu9119-JiE6dj5kJcfsLhoCSkgQAvD_BwE
     
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    NATO withdrew all combat forces by December 2020, and only left some 18000 contractors and other personnel by April 2021. They eventually withdrew all personnel, including diplomatic personnel from certain member countries because the Taliban were already on the offensive against the Afghan government while we never provided the assets they needed to combat them per the Trump Taliban agreement.
     
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    I hate to pee in your cheerios, but that is part of the job of a parent, whether you have boys or girls. Your girl may be 43 years old, but she is STILL daddy's little girl.
     
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    the young are many things, but they too are learning as they grow and experience. However, the young can impress people given the right opportunity. Most young people, throughout history, have been impressionable at an early age simply because they didn't gained the wisdom that their forefathers have gained. In today's environment, they exclusively have a social internet presence on pretty much everythihg they do. There are exceptions, such as young people who live with the Amish, a collectivist society lol.

    But then again, with your age, compared to your forefathers similar to your age, you too are at the bottom of the barrel.
     
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    So what Biden personal ambitions has Biden done while he was president?

    I have not seen any personal ambitions. He has not pardoned Hunter has he? He has not put his own interests ahead of the country, has he? He has ideas, which he thinks works best for the country, but those ideas are disputed by the other side.
     
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    Then write more clearly. And btw, Nixon didn't sabotage anything. Organized Afghan forces were still fighting as we abandoned them and our evacuation aircraft lifted off.
    Let's Look at the Record

    Richard Nixon Foundation
    https://www.nixonfoundation.org › look-at-record



    ... Nixon's presidential campaign, who helped sabotage the 1968 Paris peace talks. She acted as a go-between for Nixon to the South Vietnamese government ...
     
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    Nonetheless, your claim that NATO had departed in December 2020 has been shown to be false.
    Biden's dishonor is not somehow made less despicable by citing Trump's dishonor.
     
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    Yes, he put his own ambitions ahead of the country by running for a second term.
     
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    The opposite is true. Recognition of racism's pernicious existence inherently works against it. It does not support it.
     
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    The Biden admin exposed itself to justified criticism by the way the withdrawal was conducted. But a substantial degree of blame needs to be directed at the Afghan army for its collective act of cowardice.

    The larger question being...............is the country better off with Biden, who's cognition is diminished, or Trump, who is unfit in too many ways to count?
     
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    Are you dreaming? Is he worth more than when he started? None of those ideas are actually working and most are idiotic.
     
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    Dude we trained them to work with massive air support and then the first step in the withdrawal was to remove that air support. What the hell did you expect. That air support should have been the last thing out the door not the first.
     
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    Our youth are being indoctrinated into stupid and idiotic ideologies like never before.
     
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    As I said ally ally outs in free, if you can get to the border will give you a work visa. Neither useful nor necessary and will do nothing to solve the problem. And frankly If you still trust crap coming from DHS whose history of lying is voluminous.
     
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    We abandoned Afghans who were still fighting as our evacuation aircraft lifted off.

    ". . . And then the president said this: “American troops cannot and should not be fighting in a war and dying in a war that Afghan forces are not willing to fight for themselves.” The Afghan military has consistently, in any one year, sustained more casualties in its fight against the Taliban than we have sustained in all 20 years of our war there. I fought alongside the Afghans. I watched them save American lives. In one instance, when a convoy I was in was ambushed, our Afghan partners were the first to drive back into the kill-zone to pick up wounded Americans. To say they are unwilling to fight because their forces collapsed after we turned our backs on them is a slap in the face not only to our Afghan allies but to Americans — such as me — who mixed our spilled blood with theirs. . . ."
    Perspective|Afghans were willing to fight. But we abandoned them on the battlefield.
    Elliot Ackerman•August 19, 2021
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    Trump is morally unfit. Biden is mentally unfit. Neither will get my vote.
     
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    Did Afghanistan withdraw go well? No, it did not. I wish it could have been better.

    But can you explain me how Afghanistan withdraw was worse then the past 20 years US involvement in Afghanistan?

    Can you explain me how Afghanistan withdraw was worse then US war in Iraq between 2003-2008?

    The choice in November is very clear – Joe Biden vs the guy who wanted to overthrow legitimately elected election result. A guy who told his vice president to send back the election result to state.

    You can slice and dice ‘dishonor Afghanistan “ and Joe Biden mental state all you want but at the end it is Joe Biden vs the guy who wants to be “ dictator for one day”.

    If you think they are the same, then you are blinded by your partisan politics.
     
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    Lol, that's a legal question for a real lawyer :D!
     
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