The vaccine causes deadly blood clots.

You're misreading what I said. I said that maybe Pfizer should have tried their vaccine on pregnant rats, like the Turkish researchers did, before guinea pigging it on humans so they could have known the safety issues ahead of time

"Our findings reveal that the mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine significantly alters WNT gene expression and BDNF levels in both male and female rats, suggesting a profound impact on key neurodevelopmental pathways. Notably, male rats exhibited pronounced autism-like behaviors, characterized by a marked reduction in social interaction and repetitive patterns of behavior."

Sorry, I'll take the researchers words over yours.

"Our findings reveal that the mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine significantly alters WNT gene expression and BDNF levels in both male and female rats, suggesting a profound impact on key neurodevelopmental pathways. Notably, male rats exhibited pronounced autism-like behaviors, characterized by a marked reduction in social interaction and repetitive patterns of behavior."

"Furthermore, there was a substantial decrease in neuronal counts in critical brain regions, indicating potential neurodegeneration or altered neurodevelopment. Male rats also demonstrated impaired motor performance, evidenced by reduced coordination and agility. Our research provides insights into the effects of the COVID-19 mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine on WNT gene expression, BDNF levels, and certain neurodevelopmental markers in a rat model."

 

Here's another study that many pro vaccine fans will not like and try to discredit.

"It's quantitative and not qualitative" they'll say
"It's an opinion and correlation doesn't = causation!"

Yet that's the best evidence vaccine studies ever have "We gave 40,000 people our vaccine, of the 97% that remained alive, only 5% got the disease, so it's 95% effective!" No placebo, no other EXPLANATION of why 95% didn't get the really ill, you know, like 99% of people with Covid did not experience a serious disease? Only the usual suspects 80+, co-morbidities, etc!"

You'll never hear the pro vaccine punditry say
"well correlation doesn't = causation" for that. Instead..."it's a great success!"

The double standard of critique is obvious.

And you wonder why so many people are losing faith in the doctors that pushed it.

My mother in laws neighbors were ill all during Christmas. They are regularly boosted. My mother in law and father in law are not taking any more after the first two, and don't get ill. They live on the same floor in the same building. The other two say "well thank goodness we took it, or we'd be worse off!" They socialize together and with the same friends.

I guess correlation doesn't = causation there, lol.

So many believed their rhetoric. 12 years of indoctrination will do that to many. Those that didn't were demonized.

2022 Sep 14;10(9):1526.
doi: 10.3390/vaccines10091526.
Determining the Health Problems Experienced by Young Adults in Turkey, Who Received the COVID-19 Vaccine
Gökhan Doğukan Akarsu 1
Affiliations

• PMID: 36146604
  
• PMCID: PMC9502422
  
• DOI: 10.3390/vaccines10091526

Free PMC article
Abstract


Aim: The aim of this study was to determine the health problems experienced by young adults after the COVID-19 vaccine.

Method: This study is a quantitative and descriptive study and was completed with 590 undergraduate students studying at a state university in Central Anatolia in the spring semester of the 2021-2022 academic year. The data were collected by the researcher through a one-to-one interview with the students and a questionnaire prepared in line with the literature. Number, percentage and chi-square tests were used in the analysis of the data.

Results: A total of 81.4% of the students participating in the study had the BioNTech-Pfizer vaccine. A total of 67.3% of them had two doses of COVID-19 vaccine, 35.9% of the vaccinated students experienced some health problems in the days following the vaccination, and the most common health problems were fatigue, a cough, sleep disturbance, psychological discomfort, a heart ache feeling and sweating. Most of the post-vaccine health problems lasted for 2 days, 3.7% of the participants were diagnosed with hypertension, 2.7% were diagnosed with diabetes mellitus and 10.52% of the female participants went to the doctor due to menstrual irregularity and received treatment. It was determined that 12.2% of the vaccinated students gained weight after vaccination and 63.89% of those who gained weight attributed this to increased appetite, 9.2% continued to have a cough and 9.2% used herbal products.

Conclusion: It was determined that one out of every three young adults experienced a health problem after the COVID-19 vaccine. It is recommended that studies be conducted in different sample groups.

Keywords: COVID-19; biochemistry; health; post-vaccine; samples of Turkey; vaccine.

 

This is in fact saying the vaccine ended the pandemic, when most people were already infected with a virus that had over 99% survival rate.

Yep.

 

SARS-CoV-2 Vaccination and the Multi-Hit Hypothesis of Oncogenesis
https://www.cureus.com/articles/209...nd-the-multi-hit-hypothesis-of-oncogenesis#!/

After reviewing the available literature, we are particularly concerned that certain COVID-19 vaccines may generate a pro-tumorigenic milieu (i.e., a specific environment that could lead to neoplastic transformation) that predisposes some (stable) oncologic patients and survivors to cancer progression, recurrence, and/or metastasis. This hypothesis is based on biological plausibility and fulfillment of the multi-hit hypothesis of oncogenesis (i.e., induction of lymphopenia and inflammation, downregulation of angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) expression, activation of oncogenic cascades, sequestration of tumor suppressor proteins, dysregulation of the RNA-G quadruplex-protein binding system, alteration of type I interferon responses, unsilencing of retrotransposable elements, etc.) together with growing evidence and safety reports filed to Vaccine Adverse Effects Report System (VAERS) suggesting that some cancer patients experienced disease exacerbation or recurrence following COVID-19 vaccination. In light of the above and because some of these concerns (i.e., alteration of oncogenic pathways, promotion of inflammatory cascades, and dysregulation of the renin-angiotensin system) also apply to cancer patients infected with SARS-CoV-2, we encourage the scientific and medical community to urgently evaluate the impact of both COVID-19 and COVID-19 vaccination on cancer biology and tumor registries, adjusting public health recommendations accordingly.


“In light of the above and because some of these concerns also apply to cancer patients infected with SARS-CoV-2, we encourage the scientific and medical community to urgently evaluate the impact of both COVID-19 and COVID-19 vaccination on cancer biology and tumor registries, adjusting public health recommendations accordingly,”

Great idea.

Conclusions
This comprehensive literature review aims to highlight the potential that COVID-19 genetic vaccines, particularly mRNA vaccines, have to fulfill the multi-hit hypothesis of oncogenesis as originally proposed by Sutherland and Bailor in 1984, in that they elicit a pro-tumorigenic milieu favorable to cancer progression and/or (metastatic) recurrence. Proving this potentiality wrong is a necessary step toward satisfying the first principle of medicine: “primum non nocere” (“first, do no harm”). Indeed, all global crises pose tremendous challenges to health and welfare; yet, such exceptionalities should not be a justification for lowering scientific standards. This is particularly relevant for prophylactic drugs intended to protect vulnerable high-risk populations across the world. Precisely, the success of the novel mRNA-based vaccines against COVID-19 has created a widespread interest in mRNA technology as a solution to some of the deadliest infectious diseases (i.e., malaria, tuberculosis, and HIV/AIDS) for which an effective and easily deployable vaccine is urgently needed. However, because some of the outlined pro-oncogenic mechanisms are antigen-independent, current safety concerns should be promptly addressed before mRNA-based nanomedicines further transform the way diseases are managed and prevented in the future.


Agreed, this needs to thoroughly be investigated and focused on.

Will it?

 

False - this is a blanket generalization of conclusions stated by you, that other people are supposedly coming to.

There is a number percentage of incidences of this that occur without any virus or injection. This is a baseline. Excess over this baseline indicates an issue. As reported the overwhelming cases were very mild and recovery very quick.

False. The WHO indicated the reason for the pandemic decline as the vaccine.

You are not a spokesperson for "we".

Hyperbole. Researchers are constantly studying every facet of the virus the vaccine. There is a massively overwhelming majority, a consensus that insists the vaccine is safe and effective.

Already addressed twice - spam.

Irrelevant. You haven't included listening to online, uninformed scare-tactics and misinformation!

Hyperbole and over-generalization. Science in general seeks to improve. The nature of the pandemic didn't allow the usual degree of testing. However, even in hindsight, the vaccine was effective and statistically very safe.

THIS was my statement (you included it as part of your post!) - Same spam statement from other thread. The WHO state it was the vaccine. I'll trust the experts over somebody in a conspiracy forum.
The "If I ran the Zoo" fallacy!
Covid-19 vaccines passed animal trials - Full Fact
You ignored it.

Are you saying you are not advocating a whole host of conspiracies related to this? The problem isn't WHAT researchers find, it's the unwavering cherry picking of only that data that reinforces the suggested claim! Either way, quoting a whole barrage of figures whilst ignoring completely the imperative resolving of causation/correlation is not impressive.

Ironic hyperbole.

This isn't a report of the trial! It is just over a year's worth of reported reactions. NONE of the deaths has indication of any causation/correlation. Further, it doesn't indicate the age brackets, whether they had any other serious conditions or whether they had the virus previously or prior to death.

 

I haven't made any conclusions. Rather I'm just presenting what authors and researchers in the various studies have concluded. If you have a problem, take it up with them rather than accusing me of basically what you are doing.

So what you are saying is that when someone presents in hospital with myocarditis after a vaccine, doctors don't have any mechanism of diagnosing if the vaccine is related to this? To deny it on a whim is unscientific then.

The WHO, lol. The entity that received the majority of it's funding from China and B&MG and their benefactors?
Sure thing. They've never told a lie, not once during this pandemic {/sarcasm}. They don't have a director with a dodgy history, just like Pfizer has never been sued for false and misleading advertising, to say the very least. We should believe everything they say without question. No thanks.

"In 2012, Pfizer agreed to pay $55 million for illegally promoting Protonix off-label."

"In 2009, Pfizer was in the spotlight because it had given 200 Nigerian children an experimental anti-meningitis drug, Trovan. The drug caused the death of 11 children while the rest were left with disabilities such as deafness blindness, paralysis, and brain damage. Even when faced with the lawsuit, Pfizer was adamant that the deaths were due to meningitis, not their drug. However, Pfizer agreed to pay $75 million as compensation which the Kano state government agreed to, resulting in the dropping of the $6.5 billion-dollar suit filed by the Nigeria federal government. The Kano state had filed criminal and civil lawsuits against the drug company and demanded $2.75 billion in compensation. From the $75 million settlement, $35 million was for the victims, $30 million for rebuilding the Infectious Diseases Hospital where Pfizer conducted the trials, and the remaining $10 million for covering legal costs that the Kano state government incurred. In 2011, Pfizer started making a series of payments to the victims’ families by paying four families $175,000 each. It took two years before the payments were issued because DNA tests had to be carried out to determine which family was entitled to the payout."

"Pfizer, through its subsidiary, Shiley Inc., sold Bjork-Shiley Convexo-Concave heart valves between 1979 and 1986. Around 55,000 patients received the implant, and in the mid-1980s, the FDA forced their removal from the market. Unfortunately, the damage had already been done. In 1990, under pressure from the FDA and the Public Citizen Health Research Group, Pfizer sent letters to cardiologists who had implanted the devices. Pfizer wanted the surgeons to contact the patients who had the discontinued device. About 20,000 Americans were in danger of the faulty artificial heart valves, and Pfizer added they would follow up the letters with a $2 million campaign to track down each patient and warn them. Since its introduction, the valve had fractured at least 391 times and caused 250 deaths by the end of 1990."

read the rest https://lawyerinc.com/biggest-pfizer-lawsuits/

Are you also suggesting Omicron didn't spread like wildfire and wasn't the "perfect" vaccine like Bill Gates declared? That there was NO immunity from it?

Of course the WHO is going to pre$ent and declare the interests of it's financiers. Even Stevie Wonder can see through that.

Covid continues to infect people in the post-pandemic of 2023 just as it had during the pandemic years of 2020, 2021 and 2022. If anything, it was infecting vastly more people than ever before, despite all of the magical potions deployed to stop it.

The only difference was that the bureaucracy gave up on caring about the virus, and the press stopped boosting certain meaningless stories and stopped repressing other meaningful ones.

Below is a similar table pertaining to Excess Mortality in Germany, which points to the Deviation of Observed Mortality from Expected Mortality (by age group) in 2020, 2021, and 2022.

Notice the upward shift in excess mortality in 2021 and 2022 following the rollout of the Covid Vaccine in December 2020.

Germany: Excess Mortality by Age Group (%)



Excess Mortality in Red by age group, Total Excess Mortality in Gray

So those who got infected with Omicron, vaccinated included, didn't get any immunity?

It's not exaggerated to say that you cannot find something that isn't studies. It's also not an exaggeration for me to observe that you write off the research you don't agree with either.

I don't consider a vaccine linked with heart disease, cancer acceleration, neurological problems, that cannot stop infection safe or effective, and neither do a lot of other people. You don't have to like it, but that's fact.

You think that someone who doesn't accept your opinion is spamming? That's almost like calling for censorship.

I presented an article from Peter McCullough ONCE. I'm not going to go looking for whether you addressed it in another thread or not.

Straw man. You're saying that because I'm referring to:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2813188

is irrelevant because I haven't included false references. What kind of argument is that?

You clearly have me confused with someone else. Also your responding to something written by Peter McCullough as it I was writing it. I clearly referenced the author. It wasn't me.

I don't even know what you're talking about in some other thread, nor am I responsible to know what you've talked about in the past. Just stick to responding to my posts, not others, and you're also confusing authors.

Straw man. Irrelevant argument.

It's Pfizers documents. Of 49000 Adverse Reactions, 1220 were fatal.

I'd love for you to explain in detail how they even test for efficacy of a vaccine. I mean, it's not like they give one group the vaccine and another a saline shot and then expose them to a virus, do they?

You present as an expert here, am I right? Tell us how vaccines are tested, then maybe let's discussion correlation does not = causation.

Ya?

 

You've got it well done.

 

YOU SAID: "That is why many are losing faith in vaccines. They're seeing this occur over and over."

THAT is a conclusion! It's a generalization because YOU aren't the spokesperson for these "many".

That is correct. I think you're getting it. What they need to do is look at all the incidences and look for correlation. If the numbers are within normal range of what happens absent of virus or vaccine then there is no reason to attribute causation. If it's above, is it significant and so forth.

As is applying causation without any science at all!

The appeal to incredulity logical fallacy. The "faulty generalization" logical fallacy by saying they lied once/twice etc. therefore it's all lies.

Nope.

Repeating the appeal to incredulity logical fallacy doesn't somehow make it true.

Once the pandemic subsided people stopped getting their boosters, plus the virus DOES mutate and doesn't suddenly go away. A level of herd immunity significantly from the vaccine has made its transmission less prevalent.

That's the virus for you.

No. I didn't notice that. This was covered on another thread where somebody posted about 20 graphs, not one had any correlation spike with rollout and mortality steadily subsided.

8 months I think is the figure. Are you still flogging the dead horse? The WHO said the pandemic was stopped by the vaccination program. I choose to believe them over your cherry picked sources.

The only fact in that sentence was that you "don't consider". Conflating brief, mild and easily treated myocarditis to heart disease is disinformation. Conflating very sparsely occurring cancer "acceleration" without attributing causation is disinformation. Saying the vaccines cannot stop infection or that they aren't effective is ridiculous disinformation.

I'm saying it because your post quite clearly suggested that list is "representative" when it doesn't include the totally obvious "listening to online, uninformed scare-tactics and misinformation!"

The kind that you haven't addressed. You reposted the same chart again. You said "a representative sample survey of adult Americans and found that the majority did not feel COVID-19 vaccines were safe (worried about safety) and wanted to see more research done."

You said: "1200+ died in the Pfizer trials of the 49,000 documented Adverse Reactions."
You are wrong - This isn't a report of the trial! It is just over a year's worth of reported reactions. Are you going to acknowledge your error?

Google it.

Google it.

 

You just confirmed the part in bold, like Dr. Bill Gates said, Omicron was a better "vaccine" because it produced B and T cell immunity. Like all pandemics of past, the less lethal variants end up infecting most people and now there is the lovely herd immunity that leaky vaccines could not provide.

 

Peter McCullough said it. I find him much more informative than you.

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/majority-of-americans-do-not-feel

Of course, anyone (or any doctor) who blanket dismisses any relationship without investigating whether there is or not (like was clearly observed with Astra Zeneca) should not be trusted. Dismissing something serious like that on a whim, is unethical.

Except they weren't. Many experts agreed that they weren't

People should not be in the habit of believing in liars, like Fauci for example.

What are you saying Nope to. That Omicron didn't spread like wild fire? That there is no immunity gained from Omicron infection? That there were no excess deaths?

Calling what you don't like to hear a logical fallacy, doesn't exactly make it one.

Spanish flu didn't go away, it just mutated into just another flu. Much the same as the other 5 or is it 6 Coronaviruses in existence. In a few years C19 will be another coronavirus.

My mother got her booster and still got covid. Every day more and more evidence emerges at how useless and even dangerous these vaccines really are to the point that most fact checkers are just making it up these days. Eventually more States will go the route of Ladapo and Florida. Alberta in Canada is close. Meanwhile in BC Canada they still won't hire back nurses who didn't get the original 2 shots, even though those are completely redundant at this point. 30% of the nurses that didn't get OG2 have moved elsewhere to work. Completely ridiculous and providing more insight into how politically motivated the measures used, to punish, were out of touch with reality.

Excess mortality from the virus that causes mild symptoms? Yeah, nope. The Spanish flu, still around, isn't killing like it did 100 years ago. You're not a virulogist are you?

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthc...covid-why-are-so-many-americans-dying-early/?

"With the worst of COVID behind us, annual deaths for all causes should be back to pre-pandemic levels — or even lower because of the loss of so many sick and infirm Americans. Instead, the death toll remains “alarming,” “disturbing,” and deserving of “urgent attention,” according to insurance industry articles.

Actuarial reports — used by insurers to inform decisions — show deaths occurring disproportionately among young working-age people. Nonetheless, America’s chief health manager, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, opted in September to archive its excess deaths webpage with a note stating, “these datasets will no longer be updated.”

Money, of course, is a motivating issue for insurers. In 2020, death claims took their biggest one-year leap since the 1918 influenza scourge, jumping 15.4 percent to $90 billion in payouts. After hitting $100 billion in 2021, claims slowed in 2022, but are still above 2019. Indemnity experts are urging the adoption of an early-warning program to detect looming health problems among people with life insurance and keep them alive.

Unlike in the pandemic’s early phase, these deaths are not primarily among the old. For people 65 and over, deaths in the second quarter of 2023 were 6 percent below the pre-pandemic norm, according to a new report from the Society of Actuaries. Mortality was 26 percent higher among insured 35-to-44-year-olds, and 19 percent higher for 25-to-34-year-olds, continuing a death spike that peaked in the third quarter of 2021 at a staggering 101 percent and 79 percent above normal, respectively.

“COVID-19 claims do not fully explain the increase in incurred claim incidence,” the Society said. COVID-19 deaths dropped 84 percent from the first three quarters of 2021 to the same period in 2023."

WHO cares what the corrupt WHO thinks? You do maybe. That's a cherry picked as any other source.
And it's a sort of faith based argument by you then. I don't subscribe to scientism.

Are you suggesting that immunity gained from infection had absolutely nothing to do with this? Really?

Scarring from heart inflammation can lead to CHF.

Vaccinated are getting infected. Not disinformation. The vaccine was not nearly as effective as people were lied to about early on.

"The COVID-19 outbreak among vaccinated people that broke out at a conference held in April by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) was bigger than disclosed, according to files obtained by The Epoch Times.

After the outbreak took place, the CDC reported results from surveys sent to attendees.
While the CDC said that 181 respondents reported testing positive for COVID-19, that number was actually 183, according to the newly obtained files."

"Pattern of Misleading on Breakthrough Metrics
The failure to report the emergency room visit and note that hundreds of attendees didn’t get tested fits the CDC’s pattern of misleading on so-called breakthrough cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, or metrics among the vaccinated.
The CDC’s now-former director, for instance, falsely said on television in the spring of 2021 that vaccinated people would not get sick or transmit COVID-19. The agency has acknowledged that data didn’t support those claims."

You're not reading what I'm posting correctly. I didn't say that, Peter McCullough did. Here, for your sake, is the quote again:

By Peter McCullough:
"The majority of my patients in practice have indicated they are not going to take another COVID-19 vaccine. But is my clinic a skewed sample?

From:
https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/majority-of-americans-do-not-feel

That post has mysteriously gone missing. In it, this was referenced:

Steelfisher et al from the Harvard School of Public Health performed a representative sample survey of adult Americans and found that the majority did not feel COVID-19 vaccines were safe (worried about safety) and wanted to see more research done.

And your argument that HIS argument is null and void because he's not posting "uninformed scare-tactics and misinformation" is mind boggling. It's like claiming facts are not real facts unless you present fantasy, or something like that. How do you justify that.

You're nit picking one word. Really? What do you call Pfizer testing their vaccine on people, then?

More importantly, I'm presenting, ONLY, what Pfizers documents show in black and white.

I'm really not sure what you are missing here and whether it is by default or design. Of 42000 Adverse Events, 1220 were fatal and about 9500 could not be accounted for...maybe those were fatal too. 2% fatality is far higher than the fatality of the virus. Anyone who can do math understands that.

Noted that you don't want to go there, and the reason for that is that your argument that correlation does not = causation is 100% applicable in the case of "vaccine efficacy" testing

 

Betamax, debate William Makis on his substack or X profile. He always answers his critics. Would love to see you take him on.



https://twitter.com/MakisMD/status/1713331605178368132

 

THIS is what I mean by spamming. That's about the 4th time now, that you have stated this same thing and it has been addressed in each case! The other thread has a full response!

 

The post above #160, repeats almost entirely previous claims, addressed a multitude of times. It's a tedious back and forth that is starting to irritate.

Question: Where in the incidence of increased cancers has ANY correlation/causation been performed, directly linking this to the vaccine!?
Question: 687 million people caught covid-19, why hasn't this lethal virus been considered as the cause for the question above!?
Question: After claiming deaths were from the trial when they were over a period of actual full usage (nit-picking? meh!), where has ANY analysis been performed over the deaths, to attribute causation from the vaccine!?

 

If this is a new rule, then you are spamming by repeating that the vaccine ended the pandemic when even "experts" you respect say otherwise. So it's fare game. You're just calling it spam because you want it silenced.

 

Why won't you explain how vaccines are tested for efficacy?

We're waiting.

I suspect we both know why, because it's almost exclusively CORRELATION does not = CAUSATION as methodoloy.

How do you know for sure? How about the ones who caught it and were largely asymptomatic, or those that did not get tested?

Omicron spread like wild fire, most experts agree that it was responsible for a large part of the immunity now seen, but not quite seen since JN1 evades vaccine and other immunity, but is thankfully a nothing burger for mostly healthy people. The vulnerable are, as always, reason for concern.

Where has any analysis been performed that the vaccine saved lives and caused lesser illness? Once again, how are vaccines tested in the first place?

What did Pfizer call their "testing". Tell me the correct word to use if you have issue with vaccine trials.

 

If you are referring to Gates he doesn't deny the pandemic ended because of vaccines. Who told you I "respect" him?

 

Google it. Send them an email.

You're not a "we".

Your suspicions are incorrect.

Good call, you're right, it could be much more. Nice dodge on the questions though.
Try again!
"Question: Where in the incidence of increased cancers has ANY correlation/causation been performed, directly linking this to the vaccine!?
Question: 687 (plus) million people caught covid-19, why hasn't this lethal virus been considered as the cause for the question above!?"

You must realize that simply repeating your claim and ignoring citations doesn't suddenly make it correct. The experts conclude that the vaccine ended the pandemic.

Surely you've seen the numerous evidence from the experts?

Once again...Google it. Send them an email.

You seem to be not reading my simple statement correctly. YOU are claiming the figures came from the trial, when they were from one year of actual deployment!

 

More on the clot issue...

Exclusive: 70% of Embalmers Report Finding Strange Blood Clots Beginning in Mid-2021
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...mail&utm_campaign=defender-wk&utm_id=20240128

 

Nope. This is just a rehash of the last one you put up. Can you point out where Major Thomas Haviland takes the cases individually, determines what the cause of death was, determines whether they had received any vaccine or determines whether they had experienced one or more covid-19 infections?

The answer is of course no. What steps have you taken to see if other causes could better fit this scenario?
Coronavirus autopsies: Small vessel blood clotting found in patients, pathologist says | CNN
"Autopsies on people who died of the coronavirus are helping doctors understand how the disease affects the body – and one of the most remarkable findings concerned blood clotting, a pathologist says.

Dr. Amy Rapkiewicz, the chairman of the department of pathology at NYU Langone Medical Center, spoke to Erin Burnett on OutFront Thursday night. Some Covid-19 patients are known to develop blood clotting issues, but the degree and the extent to which that occurs was described as “dramatic” by Rapkiewicz. In the early stages of the pandemic, bedside clinicians noticed a lot of blood clotting “in lines and various large vessels,” she said. “What we saw at autopsy was sort of an extension of that,” she said. “The clotting was not only in the large vessels but also in the smaller vessels.

“And this was dramatic, because though we might have expected it in the lungs, we found it in almost every organ that we looked at in our autopsy study,” she said. Rapkiewicz’s study outlining her findings was published at the end of June in The Lancet journal EClinicalMedicine.""

 

You say you're in the field, but you won't answer how Vaccines are tested "in the field"

Let's discuss it. What is there to be afraid of?

 

I'm not dodging the question on how Vaccine efficacy is determined, so ok, I'll ask again...

And how exactly was efficacy determined?
I think I understand why you refuse to answer.

Some discussion on correlation and causation (video below) which begs the question...how exactly is the determination that a Vaccine is effective made?

 

Here you go again, what is he saying, explain...



Start at 0:23

"Sadly the virus itself particularly the Variant called Omicron is a type of vaccine (no, it's a virus, but whatever) in that it creates both B-cell and T-cell immunity and it's done a better job at getting out to the World's Population!"

"T and B cells have a central role in fighting off infections and, crucially, in establishing long term immunity. Some T and B cells act as memory cells, persisting for years or decades, primed and ready to reignite a broader immune response should their target pathogen arrive in the body again. It’s these cells that make truly long term immunity possible.

A study published in February in Science assessed the proliferation of antibodies as well as T and B cells in 188 people who had had covid-19.7 Although antibody titres fell, memory T and B cells were present up to eight months after infection. Another study in a comparably sized cohort reported similar results in a preprint posted to MedRxiv on 27 April.8

Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease doctor and professor of medicine at the University of California San Francisco, says we have evidence that T and B cells can confer lifelong protection against certain diseases similar to covid-19. A well known Nature paper from 2008 found that 32 people born in 1915 or earlier still retained some level of immunity against the 1918 flu strain, 90 years hence.9 “That is really profound,” she says.

A paper published in July 2020 in Nature found that 23 patients who had recovered from severe acute respiratory syndrome still possessed CD4 and CD8 T cells, 17 years after infection with SARS-CoV-1 in the 2003 epidemic.10 What’s more, some of those cells showed cross reactivity against SARS-CoV-2, despite the participants reporting no history of having covid-19."

Natural immunity rules again and that has to be a hard pill to swallow for those who want to believe that the vaccine did it all, a vaccine that didn't stop transmission

"The vaccinated are showing viral loads (very high) similar to the unvaccinated, and the vaccinated are as infectious. Riemersma et al. also report Wisconsin data that corroborate how the vaccinated individuals who get infected with the Delta variant can potentially (and are) transmit(ting) SARS-CoV-2 to others (potentially to the vaccinated and unvaccinated)."

https://brownstone.org/articles/nat...share-employers-health-officials-politicians/

 

And this is called spam! Isn't one thread on the same thing enough!

Why don't you explain why you cut the transcript there and didn't continue to 46 seconds, where he says AND VARIANTS!

 

It kind of looks like government just has a foregone conclusion. If the statistics show that there has been an increase in clots just after the vaccine rollout, they don't consider that to be significant in their analyses. I think most laymen (I'm layman) can see the defective thinking.

 

It kind of looks like you have a foregone conclusion.

That don't correlate to the peaks where they are given!

Why would they? Covid-19 causes clots!

You aren't a representative or spokesperson for "most laymen" and because you ARE a layman, you haven't established any "defective thinking".