The vaccine causes deadly blood clots.

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  1. The Verb

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    Another potential simple solution to reduce load.

    EFFECT OF THE POVIDONE IODINE, HYPERTONIC ALKALINE SOLUTION AND SALINE NASAL LAVAGE ON NASOPHARYNGEAL VIRAL LOAD IN COVID-19
    COVID-19EMERGENCY ORLEVIDENCE BASED MEDICINEGENERALHEALTH SERVICES RESEARCHINFECTIOUS DISEASESPUBLIC HEALTHRANDOMISED CONTROLLED TRIALSRESPIRATORY MEDICINE
    • Aysegul Karaaltin[​IMG]
    • ozgur yigit
    • dogan cakan,
    • özer akgül,
    • Enes Yiğit,
    • yetkin zeki yılmaz,
    • Kays Burak Çakır,
    • gamze çiftçi,
    • Nihal Seden,
    • abdurrahman çağlıyan,
    • Efe Can,
    • özgür dikme,
    • yalçın hacıoğlu,
    • ilker inanç balkan,
    • özgün enver,
    • Ahmet Ozdogan
    Abstract
    Objective: The causative virus of COVID-19 is SARS-CoV-2. The aim of the present study was to invastigate the in vivo virucidal activity of nasal irrigation with saline, nasal irrigation with Povidone-iodine (PVP-I) 1%, nasal irrigation with hypertonic alkaline and nasal irrigation with PVP-I 1% against SARS CoV- 2. Design: The present study was a prospective randomized clinical trial. Setting: A multicenter study involving tertiary care centers. Participants: The study included adult outpatients whose qualitative SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR tests in nasopharyngeal swabs were positive. One hundred twenty patients divided into four equal groups. Standard COVID-19 treatment was given to group 1 (n=30), nasal irrigation containing isotonic solution was added to patients’ treatment in group 2 (n=30), nasal irrigation containing 1% PVP solution was added to patients’ treatment in group 3(n=30), and nasal irrigation containing 1% PVP solution and nasal irrigation containing hypertonic alkaline solution was added to patients’ treatment in group 4 (n=30). Main outcome measures: On the first day of diagnosis (day 0), nasopharyngeal swab samples were taken, on the 3rd and 5th days the nasopharyngeal viral load reduction in quantitative RT-PCR tests were calculated. Results: Between the 0-3rd Day and 0-5th days, the nasopharyngeal viral load reduction was significant in all groups (p< .05). In paired comparisons of groups, the nasopharyngeal viral load decrease in group 4 in first 3 days was significantly lower than all groups (p < .05). The nasopharyngeal viral load degrease in groups 3 and 4 in the first 5 days were significantly lower than group 1 (p < .05). Conclussion: This study was reveal that the use of hypertonic alkaline nasal irrigation together with 1% povidone-iodine was more effective in reducing viral load in the early period. The decreased nasopharyngeal viral load may reduce the carriage of infectious SARS-CoV-2 in patients. Our results suggest that 1% povidone-iodine and hypertonic alkaline nasal irrigation may be promising modality to prevent the COVID-19 epidemic.

    https://www.authorea.com/users/3378...vage-on-nasopharyngeal-viral-load-in-covid-19
     
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    I posted this in another forum, but it doesn't seem like any of the online Dr's there want to touch it. Does anyone in here want to put forward a hypothesis?

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    My mother lives nearly across the continent from me.
    Recently she has been admitted to long term care.

    She originally got the first two shots in 2021. Modena in both cases.

    On the second, almost exactly three weeks later, she was admitted to hospital for shortness of breath and being unable to think clearly.

    She was in for a little over two weeks and received medication for heart inflammation.

    She was not told it was a myocarditis to the best of her recollection. July 2021.

    She also never had or tested + for covid before or after vaccination, also to the best of her knowledge based on no symptoms or sickness.

    In the last two years her health has deteriorated. She no longer can take care of herself. She's 73. In October 5 days after my uncle died, she collapsed. I'm certain the shock and subsequent depression that was likely was a contributing factor. She was already pretty weak to begin with.

    Luckily someone who regularly takes her for blood work found her on the floor. She didn't remember what happened.

    After nearly 6 weeks in hospital, also fighting a urinary tract infection and two doses of Digoxin, they were able to remove fluid in her heart, as it was explained to me, and bring her heart rate from an average of 130-150BPM when to something manageable. They were also able to fast track a long term care facility.

    I'm grateful that they were able to keep her alive but I'm asking myself now if her current suffering and condition was worth it. I say yes, but she's really in tough shape right now.

    It's mandatory that all patients get flu and covid shots at her long term care. She did so in early December.

    Yesterday I got a call that she tested positive for covid. Briefly spoke with her. No lung symptoms but extremely tired. No worries says the doctor, they're giving her paxlovid

    Great vaccine, right?

    Every single word I've said is true.

    Doctors or other experts online here, explain this to me?
     
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    https://makismd.substack.com/p/explosive-interview-laura-lynn-tyler

    Angus Dalgleish discusses excess deaths especially in teenage kids that make no sense. He supports Dr. Lapado's recommendation as does Dr. William Makis.

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    "The hundreds of thousands (if not millions worldwide) victims of the ‘safe and effective’ vaccine whose lives (if they still have them, unlike those who have already died of heart attacks and strokes etc) have been destroyed by a totally useless and unnecessary vaccination programme, have been as shamefully treated as the sub-postmaster and mistress victims, many of whom still have not received the promised miserably low and inappropriate compensation. Vaccine victims who can no longer work or who are suffering from vaccine-induced diseases have to prove 60 per cent disability to be even considered for compensation." Dr. Angus Dalgleish
     
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    I read it all, and of course more studies should be done, urgently. Where's the funding going to come from? Do you want to do it?

    The study found significant differences between rats born to mothers vaccinated during pregnancy versus a control group of rats born to unvaccinated mothers in the following areas:

    • Motor coordination & balance (males)

    • Social behavior (males)

    • Quantity of Purkinje cells and other neural cells (males)

    • Brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) protein levels (males & females)

    • m-TOR & WNT gene expression levels (males & females)The researchers set out to evaluate the effects of COVID vaccination on rats during pregnancy to see the effect on the offspring:

    Maybe they should have tested it on rats before humans, no? If you were a part of this research and knew the outcome of this study would you be like "Bah, who cares, bring in the human subjects now!" ?

    The potential significance of such findings speak for themselves.

    For some reason, Turkey seems to be uniquely willing to do the sort of blunt studies that are persona non grata in Western academia.

    Another study from Turkey on PubMed Determining the Health Problems Experienced by Young Adults in Turkey, Who Received the COVID-19 Vaccine”.


    Determining the Health Problems Experienced by Young Adults in Turkey, Who Received the COVID-19 Vaccine
    Gökhan Doğukan Akarsu 1
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    Abstract


    Aim: The aim of this study was to determine the health problems experienced by young adults after the COVID-19 vaccine.

    Method: This study is a quantitative and descriptive study and was completed with 590 undergraduate students studying at a state university in Central Anatolia in the spring semester of the 2021-2022 academic year. The data were collected by the researcher through a one-to-one interview with the students and a questionnaire prepared in line with the literature. Number, percentage and chi-square tests were used in the analysis of the data.

    Results: A total of 81.4% of the students participating in the study had the BioNTech-Pfizer vaccine. A total of 67.3% of them had two doses of COVID-19 vaccine, 35.9% of the vaccinated students experienced some health problems in the days following the vaccination, and the most common health problems were fatigue, a cough, sleep disturbance, psychological discomfort, a heart ache feeling and sweating. Most of the post-vaccine health problems lasted for 2 days, 3.7% of the participants were diagnosed with hypertension, 2.7% were diagnosed with diabetes mellitus and 10.52% of the female participants went to the doctor due to menstrual irregularity and received treatment. It was determined that 12.2% of the vaccinated students gained weight after vaccination and 63.89% of those who gained weight attributed this to increased appetite, 9.2% continued to have a cough and 9.2% used herbal products.

    Conclusion: It was determined that one out of every three young adults experienced a health problem after the COVID-19 vaccine. It is recommended that studies be conducted in different sample groups.


    Now you can laugh at hypertension and diabetes too?
     
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    :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    Sooooo. They were counting Karen’s??
     
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    Yes, the research is promising. Definitely needs consideration.
    Repurposing povidone-iodine to reduce the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection and transmission: a narrative review - PMC (nih.gov)
    "Povidone-iodine is a widely available medication that has potent antiviral effects that can be safely administered to the oropharyngeal mucosa to potentially reduce SARS-CoV-2 transmission. Adverse events from povidone-iodine are mostly mild and self-limiting. Although existing data suggest that ingestion of small amounts of povidone-iodine may not affect thyroid function, high-quality data are presently lacking. When applied correctly, povidone-iodine could create a hostile environment for virus replication and alter the transmission dynamics of SARS-CoV-2. Future studies are needed to examine the acceptance and tolerability of povidone-iodine in the community, the role of povidone iodine throat sprays in diverse community and clinical settings and the long-term impact of povidone-iodine use on thyroid function."

     
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    Not enough data.
    Good start.
    No causation established.
    Myocarditis occurs far sooner than three weeks on the rare events attributed to the vaccine.
    Caused significantly worse by the virus itself.
    Asymptomatic numbers are quite significant. People don't usually take tests if they aren't ill.
    No causation established again.
    These viruses kill old people, that is a good protocol.
    Good luck.
    Yes, almost certainly stopped it from being far worse. Vaccines for sars viruses have never claimed to stop infection, they assist the immune system in coping.
    You are making the classic error of attributing cause when you have insufficient evidence.
     
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    I think they've discovered that vaccines DO cause autism in humans to some degree or another.

    And now there is data from the Scandinavian countries and elsewhere that the gender dysphoria that has become so fashionable is related to autism, no surprise.
     
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    That is somewhat of a vague and highly inaccurate statement. "They" have made NO such discovery. In fact, every piece of empirical evidence suggests this is complete hogwash.
    Irrelevant, since your first statement was wrong and completely off topic to "deadly blood clots".
     
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    It's often the case with a conspiracy theorist that they read something thinking it means something that it doesn't. We are then treated to an achingly long barrage of non sequitur statements - more often than not with the appeal to incredulity!

    Fact check: COVID-19 vaccines protect against infection, transmission (usatoday.com)
    "Data from clinical trials indicate the vaccines from Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna are about 95% effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 infections. Johnson & Johnson's shot was found to be about 72% effective at preventing moderate to severe disease. (That number is lower partly because of the higher volume of COVID-19 cases in the general population during the trial period.)

    The vaccine rollout has affirmed those findings.

    Fully vaccinated people made up about 9% of reported COVID-19 deaths in 13 U.S. jurisdictions between April and July, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. CDC studies have also shown unvaccinated people are 10 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19."

    In addition it is very much the case that conspiracy theorists routinely "forget to respond/don't see/don't respond" to numerous posts containing direct rebuttal.
     
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    This guy says that death certificates are being falsified. According to him people are being killed by the vaccine and their death certificates say they're being killed by covid. He talks about the vaccine causing blood clots.

    VIDEO - John Beaudoin presents death certificate info (COVID-19 Vaccine Injuries) to New Hampshire Senate Health and Human Services (Jan.10, 2024)

    https://makismd.substack.com/p/video-john-beaudoin-presents-death
     
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    It's easy to notice a pattern with some posters who, in the face of overwhelming evidence, continue to deny anything that exposes the vaccines issues whether it is that it doesn't stop transmission which they DID claim in the beginning,

    to the plethora of AE's even within the Pfizer's document release that they tried to hide for 75 years. Gee any reason why they wouldn't want their own documents released for 25 years?

    Some even went so far as to deny that there were any deaths associated with the Vaccine. This is Pfizer's own data:

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    https://documents.parliament.qld.gov.au/com/CSSC-0A12/PHOLEEPAB2-2469/submissions/00000615.pdf

    2% fatality. That's a much bigger fatality than the virus.
     
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    Oh yes, the best denial tactic. Correlation does not = Causation. Even if it happens in many people. FYI it was a week after her 2nd dose she got the Myo and 1 month after a booster she got dx'd with CHF.
    She was independent and driving before vaccination. Type 2 diabetes under control. She in long term care now, barely can walk.

    She got Covid 1 month after the most recent booster.

    great vaccine.
     
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    Not actually.
     
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    COVID-19 vaccines did not skip animal trials because of animal deaths | Reuters
    "Posts claiming that COVID-19 vaccine producers skipped animal trials due to the animals in those trials dying are false. Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson, which have been granted emergency authorization use by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in the United States, all conducted animal trials and had no significant safety concerns to report."

    I believe you need to reread my post, not only do I deny this I specifically pointed out that the ONLY link to it potentially causing autism was through a "significant" statistical result linked to a potential issue with development. I then clarified what the word "significant" means in such papers, to leave you in no doubt about this! To top this I pointed out that there WAS no developmental issue, since these were ADULT rats!
     
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    Basic science. It isn't any tactic, it is a fundamental tenet of virology.
    Which it doesn't!
    And yet you said: "She was not told it was a myocarditis to the best of her recollection. July 2021."
    So 1 month after a booster she was diagnosed with Covid-19. Now, as has been widely reported, asymptomatic sufferers are not unusual. The vaccine could well have triggered the disease - as they interact! Since you have no way of knowing whether she was asymptomatic and already infected, all your speculation is uninformed.
    Indeed it is. Stopped a global pandemic. Lessened severity for millions.
     
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    How many more times must you be told. Correlation is not causation!

    Besides, did you read the full report!?
    Post Authorization Cases Evaluation (cumulative to 28 Feb 2021)
    "Conclusion: VAED may present as severe or unusual clinical manifestations of COVID-19. Overall, there were 37 subjects with suspected COVID-19 and 101 subjects with confirmed COVID-19 following one or both doses of the vaccine; 75 of the 101 cases were severe, resulting in hospitalisation, disability, life-threatening consequences or death. None of the 75 cases could be definitively considered as VAED/VAERD"

    Now, the scientific thing to do is to see that 101 people had covid confirmed. The NON scientific thing is to suggest that the vaccine gave it to them:rolleyes:
     
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    42086 were part of the trial
    Case outcome:
    Recovered/Recovering 19582
    Recovered with sequelae 520
    Not recovered at the time of report 11361
    Fatal 1223
    Unknown 9400

    = 2%

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    fa·tal /ˈfād(ə)l/
    adjective
    1. causing death.
      "a fatal accident"
    It didn't say correlation. The definition of fatal, used in their own report = CAUSING DEATH. You really can't get any more plain English than that.

    I don't think you did.
     
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    Oh my, that's significant, none of the 75 could be definitely considered as VAED, of the 42086? What about the 9400 unknowns? How many deaths hidden in there?

    2% dead (of total Adverse Events) is significant and no amount of spin can change that.

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    This is also nicely said in plain English

    "As shown in Figure 1, the System Organ Classes (SOCs) that contained the greatest number (≥2%) of events, in the overall dataset, were General disorders and administration site conditions (51,335 AEs), Nervous system disorders (25,957), Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders (17,283), Gastrointestinal disorders (14,096), Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders (8,476), Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders (8,848), Infections and infestations (4,610), Injury, poisoning and procedural complications (5,590), and Investigations (3,693)."

    Page 12
    https://documents.parliament.qld.gov.au/com/CSSC-0A12/PHOLEEPAB2-2469/submissions/00000615.pdf


    Very easy to see why Pfizer tried to hide the report from hitting the public eye for 75 years. Yeah, nice try Pfizer.
     
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    This is a human being. If someone accidentally ingests a poison and gets sick afterwards and goes to see a doctor who says something ridiculous like this, you can rest assured that they're not going to trust their doctor anymore. That is why many are losing faith in vaccines. They're seeing this occur over and over. You are free to, again, deny it all you want but you're ignoring basic evidence. If I see someone throw a rock through a window, I know that their throwing a rock through the window caused it to break. That's basic logic and observation, of which are foundations of science.

    Scientism, on the other hand...

    I was out of the country and her memory wasn't the greatest, but the new medications she was prescribed were absolutely and specifically for inflammation as a cardiologist later confirmed for me.

    You can ask her at this very moment if she has Congestive Heart Failure and she will respond "I don't know" even though she's been told over and over. To get anything accurate you have to be there. That is why she didn't recall, but I was informed later based on the medications she was taking.

    One month after the most recent booster, she gets covid. No it was not asymptomatic. I never said it was. They had to give her paxlovid because of the symptoms, apparently that helps. She's still bed ridden with no energy.

    Great vaccine.

    That's the kind of logic that destroys people's confidence in doctors. Yet so many doctors miss it because they believe in their own stories.

    And sure, so now we're to believe you can be asymptomatic for a month, get a booster, express the disease a month later? Sure thing. Sounds ridiculously far fetched and in fact, that's exactly what it is.

    Omicron and natural immunity from infection did, actually.
     
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