The vaccine causes deadly blood clots.

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  1. The Verb

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    There's a reason why someone who claims to be a scientist, on here, won't answer how vaccines are actually tested for efficacy. It would blow a hole in their argument that correlation does not = causation , and they know what I'm talking about. That would be a check mate. Expect more goal post changes to follow.
     
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    "And variants" supports my argument and not yours. So thanks for adding content to disprove your claim. You claim it was vaccines that ended the pandemic when in fact it was Omicron and further less lethal/more infectious variants. Something that virolugists say ended most pandemics of the past, like the Spanish flu.

    Are you going to admit you were wrong now?
     
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  3. Betamax101

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    You claimed it was OMICRON - admit you deliberately omitted where he said other variants.
    No, the WHO and CDC make that claim and I made my position clear here.

    And what do you mean "less lethal"? The problem with spraying this same claim across multiple threads (aka spamming) is that you "miss" replies. From here:
    An Analysis of COVID-19 Mortality During the Dominancy of Alpha, Delta, and Omicron in the USA - PMC (nih.gov)
    "For each additional percent increase in fully vaccinated individuals, the odds of death deceased by 1%. The odds of death prior to vaccine availability, compared to post vaccine availability, was 1.27. When comparing the time periods each variant was dominant, the odds of death was 3.45-fold higher during Delta compared to Alpha. "

    "The death rate during dominant period of Alpha, Delta, and Omicron were 5.3%, 7.5%, and 9.0% respectively and the overall death rate for all periods combined was 5.8%."

    "When Omicron became the dominant variant, the death rate for males, and females jumped to 11.4% and 7.1% respectively. The mortality gap between males and females was highest during the Omicron time period."

    "In conclusion, the risk of death for elderly patients by far was the most significant factor, followed by those who were admitted to the ICU, hospitalization, PMC, COVID-19 variant, sex, race/ethnicity, percent of fully vaccinated individuals, and vaccine availability. Among the variants, Delta was the deadliest, followed closely by Omicron. The slight reduction in risk during Omicron’s dominancy may be due to an increase in preparedness in how to treat the disease. It is important to note that an increase in the percentage of fully vaccinated individuals provided a significant reduction in the risk of death."

    And they are perfectly correct. During the Spanish Flu however, population centers and transport between countries was not even close to how they are today. World numbers are nearly 4 times higher and we have massive global and local travel systems. This is why attempts were made to isolate and limit travel. With covid-19, people were still getting it again after their natural immunity wavered from previous infections, mainly because the interaction between population kept it within their locality. So long as this was the case, vaccines were imperative.
    I always do when I am, this is not one of those cases.
     
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    Who do you mean?
    Have you tried googling it? If you need assistance, put the following phrase in quotes:
    "how vaccines are actually tested for efficacy"

    If you meant for correlation - without the quotes as it isn't a common phrase:
    how vaccines are actually tested for correlation

    Hope that helps.
     
  5. Scott

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    Clots you say? What are they caused by? Do any of these misinformation specialists, making easy money from the gullible, offer any credible causation analysis?

    You dump up 4 links without a single word, with no data, without even an opinion put together from a coherent narrative. If anyone were to go through these would we even get a reply from you?

    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/202553/blood-clots-lung-injuries-found-patients/
    "Ten post-mortem examinations performed on patients with confirmed COVID-19 found that all patients had lung injuries and early scarring of the lungs as a result of the virus, as well as injury to their kidneys. Nine patients also had thrombosis - a blood clot- in at least one major organ (heart, lung or kidney). The team were unable to investigate thrombosis in the tenth patient. "

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/autopsies-covid-19-patients-reveal-clotting-concerns
    "A study of autopsy findings of the first 12 patients who died of COVID-19 in a hospital in Hamburg, Germany, has found that 7 (58%) of them had undiagnosed deep vein thrombosis, suggesting that the virus may cause abnormal blood clotting.

    In the prospective cohort study, published yesterday in the Annals of Internal Medicine, researchers discovered that the direct cause of death in four patients was massive pulmonary embolism from deep vein blood clots in the legs that lodged in a lung artery, causing a blockage."

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/10/health/what-coronavirus-autopsies-reveal/index.html

    "In the early stages of the pandemic, bedside clinicians noticed a lot of blood clotting “in lines and various large vessels,” she said.

    “What we saw at autopsy was sort of an extension of that,” she said. “The clotting was not only in the large vessels but also in the smaller vessels.

    “And this was dramatic, because though we might have expected it in the lungs, we found it in almost every organ that we looked at in our autopsy study,” she said. Rapkiewicz’s study outlining her findings was published at the end of June in The Lancet journal EClinicalMedicine.

    The autopsies also showed something unusual about megakaryocytes, or large bone marrow cells. They usually don’t circulate outside the bones and lungs, Rapkiewicz said.

    “We found them in the heart and the kidneys and the liver and other organs,” she said. “Notably in the heart, megakaryocytes produce something called platelets that are intimately involved in blood clotting.” Researchers hope to discover how these cells influence small vessel clotting in Covid-19, she said."

    How do you like REAL causation!


     
  7. Scott

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    In the above articles no distinction was made between the white blood clots and the dark ones. The whole point of the info I posted is that there seems to be a new never-before-seen type of clot that's white in color.
     
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    When you typed that, did you at any stage think what I might reply with? Applying just a modicum of logic or using ANY scientific method, is not hard!

    Show where any of these charlatans have isolated causation on a damn thing they are putting out! The same thing applies in my answer - why do these snake-oil salesmen attribute these "new" clots to vaccinations as opposed to the very thing known to cause things like this, the SARS2 virus?
     
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    Because 'healthy' people 'magically' for some unknown mystery reason, got them within a few days after receiving their clot shot. How hard is that?
     
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    Hogwash. Isolated rare incidents cause them, but by no means is this only related to the covid-19 vaccine. The virus itself is known to cause them.

    This is just ridiculous off topic diversion. Blood clots in the blood stream are nothing to do with the subject of this thread white clots in dead bodies. As this identical video applies here, same response!


    "A clot too far: An embalmer dissects antivax misinformation about blood clots in Died Suddenly
    Dr John Campbell is still banging on about white clots being found by embalmers in corpses. His claims have become so ridiculous that he is now the laughing stock of the medical and scientific community. In this video, Dr Susan Oliver and Cindy the dog go back to the science and show why Campbell’s claims are wrong and why everyone is laughing at him.
    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-cl...
    Cadaver Clots or Agonal Thrombi?
    https://link.springer.com/chapter/10....
    Hemodynamic Disorders
    https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper...
    Chicken fat clots and current jelly clots

    https://quizlet.com/319905063/path-l5..."
     
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    Meaningless, how many is "RARE"? 1 Million out of 1.1 million?

    I suppose white clots in living bodies is off topic too?




    What’s troubling about the reported clots


    A blood clot is what it sounds like—a gel-like clump of blood. Small blood clots form whenever you cut or scrape your skin to plug up the injured area and stop the bleeding. But they are dangerous when they form within a blood vessel, where they can cause thrombosis (meaning they block blood flow), a condition that kills up to 100,000 people a year in the United States. “Those clots typically occur in people who are bedridden or hospitalized, or have other medical issues related to inflammation or infection or cancer,” says Yale Medicine hematologist Robert Bona, MD. They are also more likely to occur in women who are pregnant or on oral contraceptives, or in people who have hereditary disorders that predispose them to blood clotting.

    As mentioned above, the clotting condition associated with the J&J vaccine is called thrombosis with thrombocytopenia (TTS). Thrombosis occurs when blood clots block veins or arteries, and thrombocytopenia is a condition characterized by abnormally low platelet levels in the blood. The latter is unusual in someone with a major blood clot because platelets are colorless blood cells that have the function of helping blood clot.

    “The mechanism of the action of these clots has been quite unusual and, frankly, that has surprised me,” says Dr. Bona. “There are definitely a lot of questions.”

    We saw this before—with the AstraZeneca vaccine
    A small number of serious blood clots has also been reported in people who received the AstraZeneca vaccine, which is not authorized for use in the United States. In March 2021, countries in Europe and elsewhere put a pause on that vaccine after a handful of people—mostly women younger than 60—also developed TTS. The European Medicines Agency (EMA) investigated the situation and concluded that these complications should be listed as very rare side effects of the AstraZeneca vaccine, and said the benefits still outweighed the risks. But several countries have restricted use of the vaccine because of the clots.

    Both the AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines, as well as the Sputnik V vaccine in Russia (also not approved for use in the U.S.) are carrier—or vector—vaccines, which instruct human cells to make the SARS CoV-2 spike protein. For this vaccine technology, scientists engineer a harmless inactivated common adenovirus (which can cause colds and other illnesses when it is active) into a sort of Trojan Horse that carries genetic code to a vaccine recipient’s cells. The code then instructs the cells to produce a spike protein that trains the body’s immune system, which then creates antibodies and memory cells to protect against an actual SARS-CoV-2 infection.

    The Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines, both of which are mRNA vaccines and use a different method to protect against the virus, have not been linked to blood clots at this time.



    Blood clots are also a complication of COVID-19
    Researchers have also seen a strong association between blood clots and COVID-19 infection itself, says Hyung Chun, MD, a Yale Medicine cardiologist. “Unfortunately, in those who are sick enough with COVID-19 to be in the intensive care unit [ICU], blood clots have been a major factor in their illness,” Dr. Chun says. Close to 20% of COVID-19 patients in the ICU develop blood clots, he says. “That’s far higher than what you’d expect for patients who are in the ICU for different conditions. Estimates I’ve seen are in the 3 to 10% range for patients admitted for other reasons," adds Dr. Chun.

    COVID-19 infection seems to cause the blood vessels and the blood itself to behave in a way that promotes formation of blood clots, which is likely a key driver for poor outcomes, sometimes damaging vital organs and even leading to death, Dr. Chun says.

    Dr. Chun and colleagues published a study in The Lancet Haematology after identifying a leading mechanism behind blood clots in COVID-19 patients. Yale Medicine hematologist Alfred Lee, MD, PhD, and George Goshua, MD, a hematology-oncology fellow, were also authors of the study. They found that endothelial cells (cells that line the blood vessels) play a surprising role in the formation of blood clots, especially as a COVID-19 patient becomes critically ill. They hope the finding will eventually contribute to determining treatment for the blood clots. So far, “there is not a clear-cut answer,” Dr. Chun says.

    TTS symptoms to look for
    While the risk for a rare blood clot is low, anyone who still gets the Johnson & Johnson vaccine should know about early symptoms of the disorder. The CDC recommends seeking immediate medical care if you develop any of the following symptoms after getting the shot, especially if you are a woman aged 50 or younger:

    • Severe or persistent headaches or blurred vision
    • Shortness of breath
    • Chest pain
    • Leg swelling
    • Persistent abdominal pain
    • Easy bruising or tiny blood spots under the skin beyond the injection site
    Anyone who experiences signs of a blood clot or any adverse reaction to a vaccine should contact VAERS.

    Visit Yale Medicine's Vaccine Content Center for more stories on COVID-19 vaccines. HERE
     
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    It's almost as though he quotes me and ignores the entire post he quoted!
    It's catching, far more seriously than any vaccine "injury"!
    Watch the video, watch the lying Campbell get his ass kicked.
     
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    Hmmm, any viewers of this crappy thread will be assessing the quality of the rebuttal. Nuh uh, doesn't really work. The video shows Campbell displaying various body parts as supposed "white clots" and being corrected by doctors able to identify them accurately as such.

    They throw pictures at him, including spaghetti and tins of food, ridiculing his daft claims. We get accounts from embalmers who quite rightly have no clue about vaccination status.

    The whole video shows so many people who tear his pathetic claims to pieces.
     

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