Anti-vaxxers crumble as every prediction fails to come true

You call a tweet evidence?

The child death rate for children resident in the most deprived neighbourhoods of England was 48.1 per 100,000 population, more than twice that of children resident in the least deprived neighbourhoods (18.7 per 100,000 population) (Figure 4). Whilst the death rate in the least deprived neighbourhoods decreased slightly from the previous year, the death rate for the most deprived areas continued to rise, demonstrating widening inequalities.

Hmmmm.

And in 4 to 11 year olds, vaccine uptake was 7% in the Uk.

Hmmmm.

Anyone with any intelligence would rapidly move beyond vaccines as the cause of excess deaths in Children.

 

Great analogy....

 

How about an insurance report given to senator Ron Johnson in Wisconsin by insurance analyst Josh Sterling you know those are the people that have to pay the bills!

 

Oh sure. Two shots and a booster and twice with COVID. 1st time week in the hospital and the 2nd time horrible flu symptoms. You can the vax and shove it. No more for me.

 

If you had the vaccine and booster and ended up in the hospital, without them you could have ended up on a ventilator or even a wooden box. The vaccines prevent serious symptoms in the majority of vulnerable people, they don’t prevent actual infection.

 

I was going to say, as far as conspiracy theorists are concerned all it takes is a timely meme off 4chan to prove that millions died of the vaccine.

But post #2 got there first.

 

You realize that Tucker knowingly lies to the rubes to score ratings, don't you?

 

No, but I do realize all too well that large swaths of the American people stilly buy into MSM falsehoods.

 

This is the Dunning-Kruger Effect at work.

 

Oh lookey! COVID-19 vaccine: Adelaide father to get compensation after developing heart condition from booster (9news.com.au) a court of law! The globalist created this strain of the flu... and they created this gene therapy to be administered in response.. and the hysterical took the entire package.
The "vaccine" kills, and you want something to get hysterical about? That was the plan... fact, all those high and mighty pushing it are Malthusians

 

OMG we're all gonna die! The evil plot is working!

 

Perhaps. It is also the end result of government management and manipulation of the public perception, begun about a century ago with the hiring of Edward Bernays.

Bill Casey head of CIA commented on it in 1981: when everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts. It was easily seen in the secret communications revealed in the Twitter Files.

 

Adverse effects happen in a very small minuscule number of people, that doesn’t mean there should be no vaccination. If we held to that kind of thinking we would all still be dying from smallpox and polio.

The flu and covid-19 are two completely different illnesses produced by two entirely different viruses.

There are four different types of vaccines — which one is supposed to be a ‘gene therapy’?

I would say the ‘hysterical’ made up a whole bunch of nutty conspiracy theories to explain how the virus came to infect humans and why the vaccines were produced.

 

The tendency to label anything people don't agree with a "conspiracy theory" and thereby false.... is not a healthy one. While there are many false theories, there are also many true ones. The Watergate scandal was labeled that by the government and the press- until it was proven true.

Everything I've seen regarding the origin of the vaccine and it's becoming a pandemic, says that the Chinese laboratory was working on a way to make a more virulent disease. It indicates with high confidence that it entered the public domain perhaps by poor security, but equally probable that it was going to be released intentionally. There's a lot we don't know about that- and there seems to be little interest in finding out. If that had happened in an American pharmacy research, there would be thousands of lawyers demanding justice.

We have to be very careful about forcing other people to comply with our decisions, so that we will feel more secure. If the vaccination genuinely worked and you get yours, you are protected.
That's where your power to chose ends. However, the vaccine does not have a track record of solid protection. More than half the people who died from Covid in the last year of complete data (2022) were vaccinated. More than 1/3 also had booster shots.

There is a tendency for people, businesses and government to support and protect positions that benefit them or they have already put themselves in, and given the level of disinformation today, most data may be questionable. Things like this provide a way for the government to over-ride personal freedom- and gain new power. I consider that a threat greater than any pandemic.
The justification of social penalties for not being vaccinated- people losing jobs and careers or even admissions because they refused vaccination is unexcusable- but our system turned a blind eye to the rights of others, because it claimed the power to make your personal decisions for your own good.... without taking the responsibility for the consequences.
That precedent is extremely dangerous. It grew their power. They will do it again.

 

This thread has a statement that the Forum does not allow "misinformation".

While that sounds good, and I agree that we should not be fed misinformation- the fact is that we have limited means to know what that is. I think misinformation is generally seen as things you don't agree with, rather than things that are genuinely false. Given the state of news and media today, virtually any representation can be falsified. The difficulty is in being able to sort them out. The Covid questions are certainly high on the list of questionable claims; we just have to be skeptical of both information- and the sources producing it.

 

Bravo, you sir are thoroughly indoctrinated with the Pharma/MSM dogma.

 

It's a female I think, but you never know because in 2024 there are many different gender identities, including male, female, transgender, gender neutral, non-binary, agender, pangender, genderqueer, two-spirit, third gender, and all, none or a combination of these.

 

More reasons to be concerned about Covid vaccines. The article is behind a paywall.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/healt...email&utm_content=&utm_campaign=new&utm_term=

 

LOL!

The people who run this place will only ALLOW government sponsored "misinformation" and anything else that questions it, immediately gets deleted; and then the messenger usually gets and official warning and then bonus points toward a forum banning....

 

That is true but it’s also sheer stupidity to believe in some of the crap that was invented about the vaccines eg., they were magnetized, they contained microchips, they were a global plot to make the whole population of the earth docile. Of course some conspiracy theories are based in the truth but most are not.

In terms of intentional release:

How stupid would the Chinese be to unleash a novel coronavirus into their own population to cause the entire shut-down of their country and destruction of their own economy? If they wanted to release it intentionally, they could have easily carried it out of the country in a vial and unleashed it elsewhere and avoided any blame whatsoever. They could have dropped it off at the CDC and made it look the Pandemic started in the US. What exactly was the purpose of unleashing a virus on the world? Why would any country want to kill off the old and vulnerable population — pretty stupid if you want world domination to produce a virus that leaves the strongest and most healthy alive. The Chinese revere the elderly so it makes no sense to intentionally kill off those they revere so deeply.

Repeated analyses of SARS-CoV-2 has demonstrated it was not made in a laboratory nor was purposefully manipulated.

Do you think the US has never had any lab leaks? How about in North Carolina in 2016? A mouse that had been infected with a lab-created type of SARS coronavirus bit through a lab workers glove. This took place inside a biosafety level 3 lab which has a bunch of high-tech equipment to keep dangerous pathogens from escaping into the population. Did the North Carolina lab quarantine this worker to make sure she wasn’t infected? Nope, they let her out of the lab wearing a mask and reporting her temperature twice a day.

There have also been some serious cases of Anthrax mishandling in the USA and vials of smallpox being left sitting around since the 1950’s.

There isn’t actually any evidence that the SARS virus escaped from the lab in Wuhan by accident or on purpose.

The vaccine wasn’t meant to prevent covid-19, it was meant to protect the vulnerable from developing serious symptoms. The point of the vaccine is to prime the immune system to be able to recognize the virus and mount a stronger defence against any new infections.

What choice did the government have? Just let the virus run through the population and accept the consequences or institute measures to hopefully minimize the number of deaths at the height of a Pandemic? We also have to be very careful of not stepping on the rights of others by carelessly exposing them to a large number of virus particles that might end in their deaths.

 

The Epoch Times is full of misinformation related to the vaccines and covid-19 and therefore is a useless source of information.

The Poxy Times is not trustworthy. It’s actually a garbage source that deliberately and repeatedly posts misinformation. It publishes pseudoscience and promotes an anti-vaccine agenda.

 

Agreed. It's a good thing misinformation isn't allowed here.

 

Of course, there are a host of interviews with leaders and experts saying that if you get vaccinated, you won't get covid. The representations of what it was, the risks, what it would do were like a snow job. to sell the product. They created fear, doubt, lack of confidence. What the people believed is far more relevant than the hindsight of today, because it controlled actions. I'm not in favor of the government forcing anything like this on people, I'm in favor of them telling us the truth and letting us make our own decisions. That includes saying they don't know if they don't know, and not feeding us BS.

Lacking the ability to prove most things beyond question, we have to chose our path from the most probable options. But if they had been more honest, the people would have been able to make better decisions.

First, there is no question that the virus came from the Wuhan lab. If you question that, there's no sense pointing anything else out.
Why such a thing was being developed in the first place seems to have a somewhat plausible but very questionable answer- and, had some some support from our own government medical branches.
I consider that the development of it as a potential biological weapon is a possibility with a high level of probability.
I think the virus getting out where and when it did was accidental. I think hiding that from the world for a few weeks was intentional, to allow time to prepare an explanation that would avoid condemnations.
We really don't know the whole truth here; probably never will. We do not have a transparent government, we have one that hides things, avoids responsibility and cultivates deniability.

I think there is no doubt that-
The vaccine was mis-represented in many ways. Much of that is likely the result of the speed and limited research, with the intense pressure for answers. Kind of goes with the territory.
A lot of the decisions that resulted from the representations of people like Anthony Fauci did a great deal of harm to the country- Lots of damage due to incompetence, and due to the government using the pandemic to increase it's power over people. One of the results is that a generation of our children have suffered a substantial set-back in terms of their education, and that will have negative impact for decades.
Honesty with the people would have served us far better. We can't change that now- but we should learn from it.

The old saying "sh!t happens" is of course true. What's important is not so much what happens, but how we deal with it.

 

It's a Ducati crash of an analogy.

 

Have you forgotten all the lies government officials like Fauci told us? Have you forgotten the tyranny imposed on those who refused the vax?

You appear to be blaming the victim, while supporting the criminal perpetrators.