Anti-vaxxers crumble as every prediction fails to come true

I wasn’t talking about trends and correlations. A first year statistics student can take data and find trends and correlation. I was talking about causation. To understand how a vaccine might cause an adverse event, one must be able to understand both how vaccines work and how the immune system works. They do not have the qualifications for that.

 

... to perform a "formal harm-benefit analyses". The risk of harm from the vaccine is balanced against the risk of harm from covid for various age groups with various serious preconditions.

 

Why is double blind testing done? How are the results interpreted?

 

Stop changing the subject. You have stated repeatedly that Fraiman demanded all the subject data be released so that vaccines could be proven as the cause of SAE’s.

So if you want to move the goal posts yet again answer the following. How will release of all the participant data allow for risk of harm to be assessed?

 

Let’s stick to the phase three trials. Double blinding was performed so the participants didn’t know if they were getting the treatment or the placebo. The study was set up to detect safety signals and efficacy. You can read what stats they used to get their results. That has zero to do with Dowd and Rancourt's actual expertise.

Now more to the point.

Like I said, any first year statistics students can take data and reveal trends and correlations. You have to have decent knowledge to be able to explain the correlations adequately. I doubt either Dowd or Rancourt have rudimentary knowledge of how the vaccines actually work or how the immune system works. Experts can look at a correlation and explain why a side effect may or may not be caused by a vaccine. Dowd and Rancourt’s lack of knowledge related to those two things is obvious or they wouldn’t be trying to suggest causation without further study using p-hacked data. They lack expertise and their opinions come from a place of ignorance. You can’t come close to even discerning causation from a trend or a correlation. I believe if you actually understood how vaccines work and how the immune system works, you wouldn’t be constantly posting misinformation. It’s easy to get taken in with the lies produced by these people when you don’t understand enough related to vaccines and immunology. You might want to read up on causation at some point.

 

I posted the quote directly from Fraiman's paper.

 

Let's focus on the methodology of the Pfizer and Moderna testing which was double blind testing.

 

For what reason exactly?

 

How on earth is the raw data from the phase three trials going to allow for that kind of ‘formal harm-benefit analyses’. Perhaps, you can enlighten us with your own thoughts related to this. The trials don’t contain enough data to do that kind of analyses.

The point and only point of the phase three trials was to determine the efficacy of the vaccine and to make sure there weren’t any alarming signals.

There is masses of data now available for that kind of formal harm-benefit analyses. Why doesn’t Fraiman get to work on all that data since, according to you, he is an expert.

The risk of harm from covid has changed because of the vaccines. The risk of harm has changed due to the population now having at least some immunity from it. When the covid virus appeared nobody had any immunity to it due to it being a novel virus never having infected anybody. The virus that was causing covid at the beginning of the pandemic has been replaced by different variants that are having a different effect on people. So the data from the original trials is probably no longer relevant to the virus that is currently in the population.

Now, how about post about why you want to discuss the methodology of the Pfizer and Moderna studies. Was there a problem that it was double-blind — researchers didn’t know who was receiving the vaccine, the subjects didn’t know either.

 

How isn’t it?

 

I urge all liberals to get a COVID shot and as many boosters each year as recommended by the CDC.

 

Not only liberals, but all rational men and women, even illirberals should protect themselves as much as possible.

 

Especially those who are young, healthy, and have none of the preconditions listed by the CDC which result in increased risk to serious adverse effects of Covid infection.

Just kidding. Those who are under the age of 60 and all those who do not have any of the the preconditions listed by the CDC which result in increased risk to serious adverse effects of Covid infection are in my fact based opinion at higher risk from vaccination than Covid.

 

Where is your response relative to the post you quoted?

 

How isn’t what? Could you explain what you mean because I’m not clairvoyant and can’t read your mind. Thank you.

 

The preconditions in the USA are pretty obvious: Too many working hours, no sick days force people to go to work while ill, no time to recover, no recharging while vacations, working themselves to death with contracts at will, rotten health care system that is aimed to maximize profits and disencourages prevention: There are so many reasons to get vaccinated against CoVid. The risk to die or to suffer from long-CoVid is clearly below the risks of the vaccination, even for younger people.

 

What data supports your conclusions?

The data show that is not true. People under the age of 60 with none of the CDC defined preconditions are at extremely low risk of serious health consequences of Covid.

 

So true.

 

Lots of projection from the OP

 

More evidence/correlation between Covid vaccines and serious health effects - this time cancer. And again in the most healthy segment of population 15 - 44 age group. This age group in general is at very low risk to Covid. However those in this age group who have one or more of the CDC defined preconditions are definitely at higher risk to the Covid virus.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/opini...5577473#:~:text=For a possible,all over again.

 

More data which puts into question the effectiveness and safety of Covid vaccines. This article was published in Epoch Times and is behind a paywall. The final quote is from the Cleveland Clinic study.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/opini...5501039#:~:text=This is not,they could travel.

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.06.09.23290893v1.full.pdf

 

It's the same garbage previously posted about SV40!
Claim that COVID-19 mRNA vaccines contain DNA contaminants based on study of vials of “unknown provenance”; no evidence COVID-19 mRNA vaccines can alter DNA in people - Health Feedback
"Misleading: While SV40 is known to cause cancer in certain animals like hamsters, epidemiological studies didn’t find an elevated risk of cancer in people who received SV40-contaminated polio vaccine. Inadequate support: Neither the preprint by McKernan et al. nor the other studies cited in the article provided evidence for the claim that COVID-19 mRNA vaccines contained significant DNA contamination or that the vaccines can alter DNA in people. The analysis underpinning this claim was performed on vials of unknown origin."

No evidence that DNA sequence used in Pfizer shot leads to cancer and other health issues | AP News
"CLAIM: Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine contains a DNA sequence called Simian Virus 40 that can cause health problems, including cancer.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. No evidence has been found to suggest DNA fragments used in the development of the coronavirus vaccine -- such as a portion of SV40’s DNA sequence -- are causing health problems in people who have received the COVID-19 vaccine.

THE FACTS: A congressional hearing has revived baseless claims that coronavirus vaccines contain dangerous levels of monkey virus DNA."

The article is also written by an activist who is claiming cancer increases are caused by vaccines with not one iota of correlation/causation data! I believe his initial number of cases was less than 10!

 

Angus Dalgleish is an expert in immunology and Professor of Oncology at St George's Hospital Medical School, London.

Risk of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) among Those Up-to-Date and Not Up-to-Date on COVID-19 Vaccination Nabin K. Shrestha,1 Patrick C. Burke,2 Amy S. Nowacki,3 Steven M. Gordon1 1Department of Infectious Diseases, Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio, USA, 2Infection Prevention, Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio, USA, and 3Quantitative Health Sciences, Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio, USA.

 

The Epoch Times is absolute garbage when it comes to vaccine and covid research.

This is just more of the same crap that has been previously debunked.

It’s a shame you believe and post this crap. You should take some time to review some real science.

It doesn’t take much critical thinking to understand why there is no link between cancer and the covid vaccines.

More of the same garbage pumped out by the Epoch Times. The up-to-date vs not-up-to-date did not question the safety or effectiveness of the vaccines — it questioned A Classification by the CDC.

Stop posting misinformation.

 

yeah.. no proof...BUT there IS a shred of evidence

The Vigilant Fox on X: "UK HAS A PROBLEM: Excess deaths are up a staggering 22% among 1 to 14-year-olds. Notably, this trend didn’t start until “the magic juice started to be issued to children later in 2021.” 2020: 9 percent fewer deaths than expected 2021: 7 percent fewer deaths than expected 2022:… https://t.co/aVhKdX2re8" / X (twitter.com)

"mysterious deaths" are among the vaxxed are allover the news.

you people remind me of the Mony Python dead parrot skit.