When WAS America great?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Your personal opinion is taken for what it's worth.

    I reference the empirical data.

    Achieving nearly 60% approval after eight years in office speaks for itself, if you respect the American people.
     
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    There are lies there are damned lies and there are statistics
     
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    Affirmative action reduced physical standards for women and mental standards for blacks and Hispanics. In the process it discriminated against white and East Asian men. Affirmative action created no new opportunities. It took opportunities from those better able to perform them adequately, and gave them to those less able to perform them adequately.
     
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    The American people are not known to use good judgement. It's not my personal opinion. I backed up what I said with proof. he had a bad economy and his foreign policy was a total disaster that has caused the lives of tens of thousands of people and caused million to flee their homes and run for their lives to Europe and America, which will never be the same again, Pretty much the same for Ukraine. I suggest you check it out, but I'm sure you won't.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    I take your opinion for what it's worth.

    If you have contradictory empirical data regarding Obama being re-elected with over 50% of the popular vote and being assigned nearly 60% approval at the end of his second term, please provide a link to a credible source.
     
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    Since 2016 the number of judges has increased by 2.45 times. The annual caseload per judge has gone from 1,850 to 4,500 over that period. And the total backlog from 500,000 to 4,000,000. I don’t think this is a hole more judges can dig us out of. Maybe. But the numbers aren’t adding up. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results isn’t usually logical.

    No, the law against illegal border crossing is not enforced. There are no consequences. Only rewards. This must change. And the laws exist to accomplish it.

    I agree deportations should increase. Perhaps sanctuary cities will agree to this at some point. Probably not though.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I never said one word of what percentage Obama got. Where do you come up with that? I said he was voted as one of the top ten presidents of all time and he was the worst and I put down why he was the worst. Your too lazy to read it.The proof is all there. I don't ask you to take my word.
     
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    That should honestly be the priority of every ****ing American president.

    Country always comes first.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Again, I take your personal opinion for what it's worth. The data confirms that Obama was the last popular President, elected twice with over 50% of the popular vote, and approved by nearly 60% of Americans upon his completion of two terms.
     
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    When was America great?

    Since 1788, when the Constitution was ratified, to this day. That's when.

    :flagus:
     
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    Most? Are you sure?

    Wasn't the bipartisan bill from the Senate and Biden to address border agents? More money for more agents?
    Most illegals in this country were born here or brought here as toddlers.

    Tucker Carlson, from 2020? The dude was fired for lying.
    I doubt the bill is close to what he talks about. After all, he is not trustworthy.
     
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    1. Never happened. There's always been homeless people
    2. Women don't want to stay at home. Most anyways. And most don't work 2 jobs
    3. Hollywood makes the same type movies they always did. Just to different generations.
    4. Music is subjective. Today's youth enjoy the pop music of today as those of youths enjoyed it in their day.
    5. Moving of mfg out of USA was a tough time in workers lives.
    6. Jazz was born in late 1800s or early 1900s. Life wasn't so great then.
    7. Still exists today.
    8. Wages have not kept up with inflation. That is true.
    9. Most Americans still work. Most Americans are not on welfare or reliant on it.
     
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    MAGA is the R party today. And only about MAGA.
     
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    Nope. We need to follow the laws we said we would follow.

    Yes, safety and security come 1st. No one says that isn't happening today. Well, MAGA does. But they lie.
     
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    I missed your argument. I did see your opinion. I disagree.
     
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    There's a whopping 68 immigration judges.
    So you're saying in 2016 there were about 30?

    Congress needs to address the immigration issue. And the Senate attempted.
     
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    LOL. No.

    In 2016 there were 278. Now there are over 682.

    https://trac.syr.edu/reports/734/

    Where on earth do ya’ll get your information on immigration? How can people have such strong opinions about things they know virtually nothing about?
     
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    Tucker Carlson wasn't fired for lying. What did he lie about? Obviously, you saw the video and if you went on the Internet, you saw that the bill is true. The stupidest most harmful bill anyone could dream up. The bill was for more money more agents, but still allowed in hundreds a day. Thats why it was turned down. Millions of these people didn't cross at the entry points. Why prevent Texas and Arizona from protecting their own border? Do you live in either state? I do and the crime from them is high. It's so bad many of us in Arizona have steel security screens on our doors and some even have bars on their windows. I have them on both doors. The Democrats seem so concerned about criminals and protecting them in their cities and states. Bringing them back in that have been deported. Cutting police forces, not even going on calls unless it's a thousand dollars or less. Crime in your cities are through the roof.

    I don't understand the thinking of this New Democratic Party and I say new because it's nothing like the Democratic Party My Father and my five siblings use to belong to and none are now. My Brother, who was elected President three times in a row to his union is no longer a Democrat. I was even Chief Stewert of my union. Your Party has gone crazy in their thinking. Crap like allowing transgenders to compete against women, go into their lockers and bathrooms. Filthy books in school libraries, teaching CRT in schools and college to cause hate for Whites and country. Leaving off gender from birth certificates so the child can later determine what they want to be. I could go on and on the stupid things they do or want to do. If Kennedy were alive today, he would never recognize this Democratic Party.
     
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    Again, it's not my personal opinion. Go read it and see what he did. Your bias news isn't telling you and almost none of my sources are from Fox or far Right. The man has caused the death of hundreds of thousands. He has caused the invasion of millions of Muslims to flee for their lives by invading Europe. He has caused the war in Ukraine with hundreds of thousands killed. Go see how he caused it and then try and prove it wrong. It's all there.
     
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    Opinions are opinions. Clearly, your opinion of Obama differs from that of most Americans.

    If you have any legitimate polls that concur with your opinion, please cite them.


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    One of the factors contributing to his high rating is, no doubt, is Obama's Affordable Care Act:


    The Affordable Care Act wins nearly 60% support among the public for its expansion of healthcare benefits to millions of Americans, according to the latest KFF tracking poll released Wednesday.

    The poll comes with the highest number of Americans ever signed up for individual coverage under the ACA, also known as Obamacare, which has been purchased by more than 20 million Americans for the 2024 coverage year.
     
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    I didn't even touch on his bad economy. The worst recovery in 50 years. He had 13 million more on food stamps when he left office than he had when he came in after the crash and you had to know there was plenty on food stamps when he came in. Over 90% of his jobs were low paying service , and part time jobs. The only thing the man did that most people like is start up Obama Care and he lied to us about that. It covered millions, but left 25 to 30 million still uncovered. And you think this is just my opinion? The man was the worst President we ever had and his record prove it. Trump had a health care plan and I posted that too. How come you never heard of it? Your bias news didn't tell you? They didn't tell you anything good Trump did.
     
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    So, was it better after the Libertarians threw a hissy fit and backed Democrats in 2007? Once liberal Democrats took power, the two sides (GOP and DNC) stopped working together. Prior to 2007, very few bills passed the House or Senate that did not have at least one opposition party backer. Since 2007, there has been very little bipartisanship support. (That trend has started reversing recently, but not enough to matter.)

    Both parties are guilty of running polarizing candidates, but the DNC has taken it to a whole new level. First, they took sides in the 2011 primary elections by backing Hillary Clinton over Barry Sanders. (They even gave H. Clinton access to Sander's donor list.) When the DNC was questioned about their support of Hillary over Sanders, they said that there was nothing in their bylaws that prevented them from taking sides. They have doubled down on that by not supporting any DNC candidate against Biden in the 2024 election. This is especially telling because Biden is not being prosecuted for hording unsecured classified documents because he is senile. Yet, the DNC is still not supporting any other DNC contender. Why is that?
     
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    Your personal opinion is clearly aberrant, but you are entitled to it, of course.

    The unemployment rate was 7.2% when Obama took office. It was 5.0% at the end of his two popularly-elected terms.

    What was Trump's healthcare plan? Does he claim that he passed it like he claims he built his wall?

     
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    You mean, back when they forced Jews into slavery? You really have a one track mind!
     
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    That is also partly bull crap. It looked low because the jobs were so bad that people quit signing up for work. They could make almost as much money staying home and drawing welfare.

    Welfare At All-Time High Under Obama


    The latest government figures reveal that an astonishing number of people are collecting public benefits such as food stamps and disability checks, revealing an alarming trend of dependence on government rather than self-sufficiency associated with the American dream.

    A record 5.4 million workers have applied for federal disability checks since President Obama took office, according to a news report that cites recent government figures. This is straining already-stretched government finances while posing a long-term economic threat by creating an ever-growing pool of permanently dependent working-age Americans, the report says.

    Since the recession supposedly ended in mid 2009, the number of people who have applied for disability benefits is double the job growth figure, according the report which includes an informative chart. In just the first four months of this year, 539,000 joined the disability rolls and more than 725,000 applied for the federal benefit. That means nearly 11 million people are on disability, according to the Social Security Administration.

    Also this week, government figures reveal that a record number are getting food stamps and the figure will keep rising. This is not surprising since the Obama Administration has promoted the program like there’s no tomorrow in an effort to eradicate “food insecure households.” In fact, the administration has spent millions of dollars to recruit even more food-stamp recipients and has doled out hefty cash rewards to states that sign up the most people. One state even bragged about a $5 million performance bonus it got from the feds for its “swift processing of applications.”https://www.judicialwatch.org/.../welfare-at-all-time.../
     

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