Netanyahu says "no one will stop us" in Gaza

The frequent rocket attacks from Gaza on Israeli civilians have been dismissed for nearly two decades by the anti-Israel crowd as a nothingburger because the rockets are unguided. Now that the unguided shoe is on the other foot, suddenly such attacks matter...

All the information on civilian casualties in Gaza comes from Hamas. Why do you believe them? Why would anyone believe them? Why believe terrorists?

 

Perhaps thats why they warned people in advance. Its not like this response is a surprise to anyone. Either hamas is stupid or they intentionally use their own people as pawns for Jew haters. If only they cared about their own people as much as they hate Jews.

 

I can only imagine that the reason they are looking at things through the telephoto lens fed to them by hamas is because they share their views.

 

Are you implying that Israel now has license to commit war crimes because Hamas has committed war crimes?

I’m sure their numbers are exaggerated. But the fact is that there is a lot of collateral damage that could be avoided if Israel used guided bombs instead of dumb bombs.

 

As Israel warned Gaza civilians to evacuate, IDF bombs struck city described as sanctuary

Yes. Everyone who disagrees with the Israeli approach to combating Hamas is a “Jew hater.” Very rational.

 

First of all, this is a straw man. I never said I believe the propaganda coming out of Hamas. But that doesn’t mean I agree with Israel’s approach to this conflict. It’s not as simple as “you’re either with Israel or against them.”



Second, to suggest that I share Hamas’s views just because I disagree with your views on how Israel is conducting this operation is frankly cowardly and you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

Build a dome over the shithole sandpit and let them fight it out … scumbags on both sides … **** them all …

 

IDF is not hiding behind women and children. Hamas is. That makes them cowards.
I would feel ashamed if I had to resort to personal attacks. Hamas uses innocent people as human shields. Those that believe Israelis should accept rape, mutilation, murder, and kidnapping because Hamas hides behind innocent people share a common belief.
Sharing my opinion on why people share this belief is not a straw man.

 

The Palestinians are the only people I know of who demand unconditional surrender from a nation that has demanded unconditional surrender from a nation that has defeated them time and time again.

 

They have in common blind, burning hatred. Israel has become for large parts of the left a comfortable fig leaf for antisemitism. Israel is seen as the epitome of evil. Our enemies become thus the lesser evil, no matter what they do.

The main difference between right-wing antisemitism (or racism in general) and left-wing antisemitism is that leftists lie to the world and themselves about not being antisemites, while right-wingers are honest about their racism.

Disclaimer: of course, parts of the right and the left, not all of them.

 

Is the use of dumb bombs during war a war crime?

I'm not implying anything. I stated my position clearly.

Before October 7th: "The use of guided bombs and precision weapons by Israel inflicts far more damage to Gazans while Hamas' unguided rockets are harmless for Israelis".

After October 7th: "The use of unguided weapons by Israel inflicts far more damage to Gazans than guided bombs and precision weapons, while we chose to continue to ignore rockets fired by Hamas on Israeli civilians because unguided rockets are harmless".

Seriously?

 

Antisemitism imo does not guide the typical US Citizen's response to the war in the Middle East. Senselessness does. It's a thousands year tribal dispute, based in part on prophecies of a book in which not a single one of them were alive. And on the other side, there's the understandable even if at this point misguided anger towards the Israelis for the settlements.

And while many secular moderates(such as myself) envision a two-state solution, two political scenarios clearly have to happen: 1) The destruction of Hamas, and 2) The rehabilitation of the Gaza Bank and the West Strip. Israel is partly to blame with its economic blockade, which can only help to turn citizens to HAMAS.

I'd offer Israel a deal: I'm willing to put US boots on the ground and help coordinate a swift and successful end to the war in which Hamas's military capacities are totally decimated. In exchange, we get to directly help govern and rehabilitate the Gaza Strip. I think due to the smallness of the size of the area, the pain of war the democratic-economic engine has a far better chance of success here and maybe at a quicker time in terms of emotional healing than that of the ill-fated Afghanistan situation.

The template has to be like that of Occupied Germany and Japan. We need to be hands-on in the project to be successful, and if we're successful we can finally put this chapter to a close, most importantly for both the Israelis and the Palestinians but also for us too.

 

I guess you thought that October 7 was justified, right?

It was the same as our 9-11.

 

It took me a while to stop laughing enough to post a reply. Complete and utter BS.

 

Of course it wasn't justified. Neither is the killing of 30,000 civlians.
9-11 was not justified. Neither was 20 years of war in Afghanistan, and the invasion of another country completely unrelated to the incident (Iraq). When will humanity figure out that two wrongs do not make a right? It seems that in all cases those who become our leaders are the slowest of all of us.

 

Nobody disputes that Hamas are cowards. The question is whether Israel’s indiscriminate bombing is justified.

Then you must be ashamed because you implied that I sympathize with Hamas simply because I disagree with your position as to whether Israel is bombing indiscriminately and whether they are justified in doing so. That’s a personal attack.

Did I say that Israel should accept rape, mutilation and murder? Are you suggesting that Israel must use dummy bombs and inflict massive collateral damage or else they must accept rape, murder, etc.?

Suggesting that anyone who disagrees with you sympathizes with Hamas is a straw man, and that’s exactly what you said.

 

Indiscriminate attacks are a war crime. Using dumb bombs is the same as bombing indiscriminately because they are 10x less accurate than guided bombs. I’m not pulling that figure out of my ass. It’s real.

Who are you quoting? Are you purporting to quote something I said? If not, I have no idea what the hell you are rambling about.

 

Except Afghanistan and Palestinian were harboring bin Laden. After we killed him, we should have been moving toward getting out of Afghanistan. There is no making that country better. It will always be a cesspool because of its religion and culture.

So far as the Palestinians are concerned, when they stop teaching their kidS to hate Jewish people and decide to live in peace with Israel, they will have a case. So long as they act like Nazis, they deserve what they get. It’s very telling that none of the Arab states want them. NONE OF THEM.

 

But it is cool for the Israelis to teach their kids to hate Palestinians? You are out of your mind if you think they haven't normalized thinking of Palestinians as sub-human, as you do apparently.

Nobody wants to take the Palestinians because if they do, that will mean ethnic cleansing has occurred, which is what all the Muslim nations are trying to prevent. Why would they enable crimes against humanity?

 

They don’t want the Palestinians because they are violent and nothing but trouble. They are also aligned with the non Arab Iranians who are looking to take control of the Middle East.

In the meantime you can live in your antisemitic world. Harvard has given it’s okay, so it okay to be antisemitic. If fact the progressives will tell you that antisemitism raises you IQ.

 

Keep telling yourself that so you can dehumanize millions.
You can keep living in your Islamophobic world. Bubba down the road said its kewl to hate '*******s'. Go drink you some moonshine and high five eachother as you watch videos on repeat of Israelis dressing up in the women's lingerie they find in the houses they wreck before blowing them up.

 

That is their strategy. Attack, then play the victim. For those not blinded by hate, their goal is obvious. The existence of Jews is their problem. (As well as Christians, atheists, gay people, non-Muslims, and those critical of religion/government.

 

if the IDF did that, then all of Gaza would be gone by now

 

I made no such implication. I simply posted my opinion specifically using the words "I imagine." While that is not a straw man fallacy, saying I should be ashamed is an ad hom fallacy. I am not ashamed to have the ability to notice facts. The fact is that the surrounding region has already successfully cleansed their land of Jews, Christians, atheists, gay people, non-Muslims, and those critical of religion/government. They have only one tiny strip of land they have not yet cleansed, and they are willing to kill their own children to accomplish it. Palestinians are merely pawns for Jew haters.

While hamas may not care about the innocent women and children, I strongly oppose what they did to put Israel in the position they are in. They either push forward, or strengthen the enemy, who now has added rape and mutilation to their arsenal. Israel is always the one to back off, give land for peace, and negotiate. That doesn't work.

I want the war to stop and it could if only they release the hostages.