We should not choose to fight a war with China if they invade Taiwan

We should help Taiwan sink all the invading ships and drown the invading Chi-Coms.

THEY’RE DOING PRETTY WELL AT SINKING SHIPS, FOR A COUNTRY WITHOUT A NAVY: Ukraine Claims to Have Sunk Another Russian Warship in the Black Sea. “A modern Russian coastal warship has been swarmed by drones and sunk, Ukraine claims, the latest strike against the dwindling Black Sea Fleet.”

'This bodes poorly for a Chinese Taiwan invasion fleet.'

 

It's a strange thing to go to likely global war over the independence of a country whose independence even they themselves do not recognize, and who you don't have formal relations with.

 

Exceedingly weird. The official position of the United States and many other countries is that Taiwan is part of China, yet we're planning to go to war if the Chinese ever make a move on...their own territory.

 

It seems completely obvious to me that the status quo is the ideal situation for all parties involved - China and Taiwan, but also international players like the West. It would be a mistake for Taiwan to pursue formal independence at this time when they have de facto independence already.

 

True, but right now the wild card is China.

 

This is a very legit concern. The spyware they can install alone would be devastating to our military, and private industries. However, we are currently trying to influence chip manufacturing here in the United States.

 

We can't allow Taiwan's chip manufacturing to fall into the hands of the Chi-Coms, even if we have to blow the factories up ourselves.

 

Why wouldn’t we just stop buying them?

 

'Taiwan is home to 92% of the production of logic semiconductors whose components are smaller than 10 nanometers (fitting more processing capacity onto a smaller area while also being faster and more energy-efficient).'

You think our National Defense Interests are served by allowing the Chi-Coms to take over global supply chain of top chips that the world relies on?

China relies on those chips as well, and their home produced chips are no where near the quality of the Taiwan chips, and China relies on Taiwan's chips as much as everyone else does.

China needs to know that if they try to steal those chip factories, that they will come up with a handful of rubble.

 

Destroy them or stop buying them… same scenario but one has less blood

 

No. If the invasion succeeds, and we don't destroy the factories, they fall into the hands of the Chinese.
Right now the Chinese can buy the Taiwaneze chips, and their economy depends on them, if they know that they will be destroyed if their invasion succeeds, then they will also know that the only way they can attain them is by continuing to buy them rather than trying to steal them via invasion.

 

Why is it that there is always the same person calling to blow up, shoot, kill, destroy, murder everything that opposes USA?

Time to add to my ignore list.

 

Here's a novel thought, how about make your own?

The fact is that the only reason USA is dependent on Taiwan chips is because USA wants to be so it has an excuse to play the victim card against china for any future hostilities.

 

The US makes their own critical chips aimed for the military equipment

 

"The U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) will probably take years to wean itself from Asian chip supplies because of a dearth of investments in domestic production capacity, according to industry insiders and government observers.

Global chip shortages have impeded the ability of DoD contractors like Lockheed Martin and Raytheon to boost production of weapons used in the Russia-Ukraine War.

The DoD must also reckon with competition from commercial buyers for foundry wafers, as well as the military’s over-reliance on older chip architectures."
(Experts: U.S. Military Chip Supply Is Dangerously Low - EE Times)

 

It's the competition with commercial buyers that is the problem. Military equipment requires higher spec components even for such components as simple resistors. They require to have operational capabilities in for example a much higher temperature range. As manufacturers favor commercial customers to military customers (much more demand) they allocate less resources to military component manufacturing. This has been a problem for decades going back to the 1980's when my company struggled at times to obtain military spec components and the lead time was horrendous. There is no valid reason why components for military use really have to meet these more extreme specs. What is quite funny is that captured Russian military equipment has been found to contain US built components. Perhaps if the US did not sell so much military equipment to the world there would not be a shortage of military equipment used for US defense

The US has trusted US companies to manufacture critical electronic components

 

The US has gone a long way to deplete its war stocks with its questionable support of Ukraine. Our POMCUS stocks are all but gone.
There are many "long lead items" like crystals that take up to a year to grow for the Stinger tracker head. Sometimes its just a case of things taking a long time to produce. Typically, for example, even when all the components are available, it can take a year to produce an F-16. Its not just chips. Competition is pretty much mandatory and that can take a LONG time. If a production line is shut down it may take lots of time to start it up again for reasons from parts to retraining a new crew of assembly line operators.

Many components must have "approved"m second sources overseas. Getting them upand running can be very compicated if US sources dry up for various reasons.

Manufacturing defense equipment can be a very complex endeavor.

 

So you want war with China. I mean I don’t really care but if we do this it’s not just attack chip factories. It’s go all in

 

I’ve already mentioned that the government is encouraging chips to be made here. Read before you respond next time

 

Problem is that in the past, China assumed we would. That was an effective deterrent. Now Americans and leaders openly question it...which means weakness.

 

Exactly. I think it was called, "strategic ambiguity".
We do, ITMT, have Navy vessels all over the place over there. If China attacks, there is a real chance we'll go from ambiguity to war with a nuclear super power where they care more about killing the enemy than getting pronouns right.

 

I remember when GW Bush was just elected...the Chinese sent vessels towards Taiwan---a test the talking heads said. Bush sent his own vessels and the Chinese backed down. Its sad....but I think the Chinese doesn't see a need for a "test". I think when it happens, it will just happen as they see our weakness.

 

I certainly don't want the Chi-Coms to take control of the global chip supply in a war of conquest, do you?

 

Oh sure they do.

https://www.csis.org › analysis › semiconductors-and-national-defense-what-are-stakes
Semiconductors and National Defense: What Are the Stakes? - CSIS

'As of 2021, U.S.-based trusted foundries were producing about 2 percent of the devices used in military systems, generally chips used in secret programs or for application-specific uses such as radiation-hardened devices for use in space or nuclear conflict. Other chips needed for defense...'

You sure seem upset that the Chi-Coms may not be able to take control of the global chip supply by invading their peaceful neighbor.

 

So what's the problem?