Exclusive: Liz Cheney, January 6 Committee Suppressed Exonerating Evidence Of................

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    The tour, such as it was unfortunately coincided with the riot. They are not one and the same thing. But yes, this would make it a shared responsibility and a shared failure.

    As @jcarlilesiu demonstrated, the people had their right to protest(no matter how stupid we think it is) and the government had the right and responsibility to respond. The government, through reasons of incompetence, paranoia and just plain silliness failed to respond.

    1/6 should always be put in the grand context of the summer of love, the massive violence erupting across the entire nation, bank bombings and the government...did nothing.

    Even Milley had to testify out the door that every order the POTUS gave was legal. So, what was their excuse? They had none. But they failed to act, and sowed the seeds for 1/6

    This government only cares if a person or place of interest is targeted, only then do they give a damn(1/6 prosecutions), but the security of a country? Nah fam, we're on our own.

    That is, if a formal invasion attempt were to happen, what faith do you have in the apparatus to respond in a timely fashion to repel the threat? I have none after the summer of love and 1/6.
     
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    To me, having had or not had a bunch of National Guard troops in Washington is trivial, whether they were asked for or not. Trump still drew a whole bunch of people to the capital under false pretenses, whipped them up into a frenzy with lies and nonsense, and then ran away until he issued his "peaceful" tweet after the riot had already began. It's like trying to tell me bank robbers holding up a bank wasn't as bad as it seems because one of the bank's security guards jaywalked before the robbery began.
     
  3. AmericanNationalist

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    That's not a fair analogy, it would be more like if a hold up of a bank happened and the security guards whistled 'not our problem' and waited for the police. Why are there security guards in the first place!?

    Whether the government likes it or not, it's as culpable for the lax security as Trump is for hosting the event to begin with.(Hell, given what we know/the FBI knew of internet posts, even if Trump hadn't had his misguided rally, they still would've went to DC anyway.)

    The government's refusal for its own self accountability and responsibility means we, the public, are still in danger. We're all anxious about 2024 because three years later the government STILL hasn't taken self accountability.
     
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    Cheney's "commission" served the same purposes as the Warren Commission and the 911 Commission. That is to create a false narrative and selectively support that narrative by presenting falsehoods and incomplete evidence. To fool the gullible and write fiction into the official record.

    The recent videos regarding the "pipe bombs" and the government's reaction to them corroborates the fraud.
     
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  5. Junkieturtle

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    How could the government take an action like that when half the people in Congress can't even agree that Trump tried to fraudulently overturn an election despite all the evidence staring us in the face since 2020. That doesn't even require action, just a brain.
     
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    AN, an “invasion”, and American citizens protesting are wholly separate, EXCEPT, when the purpose of the protest is to overthrow democracy. It’s disingenuous to claim the action, and not the motive as the crime. The crime was the motive. Robbery, and Attempted Robbery are two different crimes, but both have the same motive. Just because one requires success, and the other doesn't, that doesn’t mean it isnt still a crime
     
  7. AmericanNationalist

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    As some pointed out, they erected a fence on 1/7. That sure would've been helpful a day earlier. Trump's actions do not preclude taking the steps to keeping the institutions(that they love so dearly) safe. Or for that matter, the law enforcement required to uphold the law(Pikachu meme face here)

    If this government gave a damn about the people, the people would be safe and secure in their surroundings. There's also the obvious economic concerns if the people cannot socially interact at an acceptable level.

    The government doesn't get to just do nothing. Or maybe it does, and that's the 'standard' that the government is at.
     
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  8. jcarlilesiu

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    Why are you switching gears?

    Respond to my post first, then I'll respond to yours.

    Why is Trump to blame foe others dropping the ball on protest security?
     
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  9. The Mello Guy

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    Protesting democracy right? Let’s be clear about what they were protesting first.
    1. It’s not clear others dropped the ball, despite claims from his coconspirators.
    2. Nobody made him still hold the rally or send them marching to the Capitol.
    3. Can we stop pretending he didn’t time his rally to coincide with the vote certification for one reason.
     
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    People are afforded the right to protest avacado toast if they want. Doesnt matter.

    It's very clear. It's governments job to provide police to uphold the law.

    Try as you might, none of that matters.

    I realize you really struggle with the concept of accountability across multiple issues, but yet again, your capability is shown here as flawed.

    Can you stop pretending that those on Capitol Hill that cried wolf were the same ones that opened the door?
     
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    I’ve still seen no proof of who is responsible for the security. The claims of trump sycophants doesn’t convince me. Considering trump sent them to the Capitol during the verification makes me think he didn’t really want more security. Using soldiers for crowd control is a little sketchy to me anyway.
     
  12. AmericanNationalist

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    1. I mean, no one was pointing a gun to their head in testimony.
    2. Fair
    3. Also fair, yes he wanted to exert pressure in his ill-advised scheme to try and overturn the election(I used the official terminology, this should win me brownie points)

    Despite all of the above, it's their JOB. Why aren't we upset when the public arm of civilization known as the government doesn't act? Isn't that what we're paying taxes for? Locally, city ordancies go to the police ETC.

    Why does the government get a pass? And why was the Select Committee so hell bent on pushing it under the rug? Security lapses don't excuse Trump, so there's no reason to not truthfully testify about it.
     
  13. The Mello Guy

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    Prove who has the power to call in the troops. Nobody has done that in either side.
     
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    According their website - the President

    District of Columbia National Guard > About Us (ng.mil)

    What the website said 4 years ago vs now would be the counter argument
     
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    Let's get it right and in context. I get so fu**ing tired of this lame ****. Here's what he said that the far left will NEVER report.

    "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard," Trump said in his speech.
     
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  16. The Mello Guy

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    He set the tone well in advance
    https://www.npr.org/2022/07/13/1111...ld-tweet-drew-rioters-to-the-capitol-on-jan-6
     
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    LMAO…We don’t need no stinking commission to know what we saw.
    Your seditious orange traitor spent two months after losing the election trying to overturn the results.
    We heard his perfect phone call to Georgia election officials demanding an extra 11000 votes and threatening them if they refused.
    We saw his fake electors schemes.
    We heard him tell his maga mob that the election was stolen from them and to come to DC and fight for him, and then he sent them to storm the Capitol in a last desperate attempt to stop the lawful process of certifying the election results.

    It’s all part of the historical record and no amount of mendacious turd polishing or character assassination by maga can change the facts.
    If maga cared more about their country than they do about a liar and traitor like trump, they would demand that he be held to account for his sedition, treason and serial criminality.
     
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    You sir would be incorrect... as usual.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/12406

    What you're asking for is that the national guard be placed into federal service which requires a specific set of circumstances.

    NONE of which were of concern. As such the ONLY way to deploy the DC national guard for them to be NOT in federal service is for the DC mayor to issue a request for their service. As quoted here:

    https://www.npr.org/local/305/2021/...-how-the-national-guard-works-in-d-c-answered

    "Mayor Muriel Bowser does not have the same authority over the D.C. National Guard that governors have over their states. She can only request guard troops from the Secretary of the Army. That request then gets sent up the chain of command to the Secretary of Defense for approval."

    Otherwise if the president orders it without a request from DC, that means he is pressing them into federal service and not local/state service which is not legal except under those three specific circumstances.

    This is the exact same reason why Sund requested assistance from the House and Senate Sergeant of Arms (which the House refused) and not just directly to the president, because the president can't simply press the national guard into service because then it becomes a federal issue. Sund had to get specific approval up a specific chain of command in order for it to be legally considered NOT a federal issue.
     
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    lol you lefties might not care that Trump explicitly stated that we would need 10,000. But I assure you the scotus will
     
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    Miller's testimony stated that Trump told them to give the Mayor WHATEVER support she requested. What part of that did you not understand? Cause I can help you figure it out if you need some assistance.
     
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  21. jcarlilesiu

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    Aren't you this big government is best advocate?

    except when government drops the ball?

    Who is tasked with upholding laws?

    You can stick your head in the sand and call everybody else names because you can't grasp simple concepts.

    But that has nothing to do with anybody else.

    You can satisfy your conspiracy thoeries however you want, the facts say that isnt what happened.

    Meh. If people aren't doing anything wrong, they shouldn't be afraid.
     
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    If you can’t prove who is in charge of calling out the guard then just say so.
     
  23. Bluesguy

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    Of course not a President does not have the authority to do so and neither myself nor my cite says he did so why are you posting this?

    I find it typical you don't know what you are talking about or why Trump and his staff were urging more protection on the streets and Capital which is not an usual thing when such large groups especially conflicting ones are expected.

    Not a shred of evidence ever produced he had anything to do with the people who rioted and the responsibility for having adequate security rest entirely with the Mayor and Capital leadership.
     
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    False on it's face. The President has NO such authority and had he done so then the left would have been up in arms screaming he is engaging in a military coup.

    Only the Mayor can make such a request for the city and streets and only the leadership at the Capital through the Capital Hill Police can do so for their grounds and both REFUSED and the mayor in her letter SPECIFICALLY order them NOT to send additional troops and the ones she requested for traffic control away from the Capital were NOT to be armed or prepared to engage in crowd control or detention of any citizen.

    So why did Cheney and the committee withhold this evidence and it appears now to have destroyed much of it?
     
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    There were already more than 200 police officers at the Capitol that day.

    Why fear a MAGA riot?

    They're peaceful people, immune to conspiracy theories and want nothing to do with hate speech.

    Who would have thought that MAGA would injure 140 policemen that day?

    The rioters had Trump flags, shouted his name, wanted to hang Pence following his Big Lie speech and wanted to prevent the transition of power so that Trump would remain POTUS.

    But Trump had absolutely nothing to do with what they did on Capitol Hill....

    MAGA logic 101.
     

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