What has Kamala accomplished?

Yeah, right.

She started screwing a married man, who held a powerful position and he appointed her to positions of public trust, after he was boning her, regular.

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If you have a problem with Melania's beautiful nude photographs, you can work that out on your own. Europe does not have the same aversion to beautiful unclothed women as some folks like you do.

Melania holds no public office, your stretch is likely to result in some pulled muscles.

 

To quote myself:
"At least as much as most Vice Presidents have ever accomplished and she's taken more **** than any other Vice President ever has; for doing the job as it's supposed to be done. Vice President is a ceremonial role ... until it isn't."

 

If the executive branch was ran like a business she would have been fired in the first year of her tenure. But then, so would have Biden be fired. Fortunately the election is getting closer and then a real business man will fill the chambers of the WH with sanity.

 

Enjoy the rest of your day.

 

Well, apparently well reasoned, well thought out commentary is not your thing.

 

So would have Pence. But tRaitor tRump opted for having him hanged which, fortunately, failed; like most everything else tRaitor tRump tries.

 

I accept your gracious concession that your OP is deeply flawed and that you cannot counter my rebuttal which destroys the premise of your OP.

 

It’s so sad that you lose the ability to spell whenever Trump is mentioned. I guess it a result of Trump derangement syndrome.

 

The most monumental error in thinking is that the correct way to run a nation is to run it like a business.

Even William F Buckley, in an essay about Trump, disabused the right of this myth.

A country is a public enterprise, wherein the dynamics of a public enterprise, in many ways, are the opposite of a private enterprise, the leadership of each requiring vastly different talents, though, of course, some talents will overlap. .

But, the simple answer is your comment is wrong as it's premise is flawed, deeply flawed.

 

How would someone, like you, suffering from tRaitor tRump Devotion, Sickness know?

 

I have no devotion for Trump. He’s only better than Biden, which isn’t very hard to do.

 

Nothing about what I said has been debunked. It is a fact that there a video of Biden bragging about getting Shokin fired. It is a fact that Shokin was investigating Burisma, the company that his son worked for. That is all that I said. I mentioned nothing about anything else. Whatever conclusions you made because of my factual statement is on you. Not me. But thank you for demonstrating how people jump to conclusions with statements without first verifying anything or using any critical thinking skills.

 

If trying to overthrow the Constitution makes him tRaitor tRump better than a sewer rat, in your mind????

 

It is a lie.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden–Ukraine_conspiracy_theory

He was bragging because it was an accomplishment. This idea that the former vice president is bragging about a crime on national television defies credulity.


It was forwarding US foreign policy in the region to the approval of senate republicans democrats international monitary fund, World Bank and the European Union.

There is no evidence shoken was investigating Burism

None.

It has been debunked many, many times I can show you scores of articles, posts on this forum Hell I devoted entire thread to this two years ago and the debunked it over and over again.

It's a conspiracy theory forwarded on trash right wing rag sites like zeroedge et cetera

Quit making these trash claims.

 

Bold: So, you admit that he did brag about getting that guy fired. Welp, we've now proven that I haven't lied about that. Now, can you admit that his son worked at Burisma? Yes or no will do.

 

Still having spelling problems? That’s so sad. Perhaps there is a vaccine you could take.

You and I agree that Trump is flawed. The problem is are your standards for president accept a man is ready for the memory care unit? Can you understand how low that standard is? In 1960 we had a choice between a bright, catastrophic, very bright man versus a bright, but flawed, sitting vice President. It’s gone way down hill from there.

Biden is asking if he can take questions. Is that good enough for you?

 

As usual there are always two "truths" in politics that oppose each other. One side takes one truth as true and the other side takes the other. It is the foundation of partisanship.

 

Nope! I spelled tRaitor tRump just like it should be spelled. Maybe you can find a vaccine for your tRaitor tRump devotion sickness.

Flawed? Flawed doesn't even begin to discribe the total lack of even a molecule of respectability in the Son of Bitch.

That's a g o d - d a m n lie.

For voting for tRaitor tRump, yeah you would have to have the biggest excavator made to dig down far enough to find the place to start.

IF you're saying you would have voted for tRicky dIck, then there is nothing to discuss ... except calling tRaitor tRump down hill? IF you could dig to the earth's core you'd just be getting started.

TRairtor tRump can't even say question. President Biden's STOU address was proof, for anyone with two brain cells, that his mental acuity is just fine.

 

No, that's Kelly Anne Conway insanity. The "true truth" works for Democrats and Liberals.

 

True, but it's not a concession because bragging about a foreign policy achievement, well, I'd have done it, myself, were I in his precise situation.

Please, if you don't mind, don't ask me questions for which you know darn well you know the answer. What you are doing is (a Socratic method of) lawyering the argument, well, sorry, we are not in a court and I'm not being cross examined and old Soc has long since passed away. So, if you don't mind, If you have a point, come right out with it, don't beat around the bush.

Now then,

Your question has an assumed premise, that because Hunter was a board member at Burisma, that the reason Joe got Shokin fired was to benefit Hunter. In fact, Shokin's firing and replacement could easily have had the opposite effect, which is to say, that replacing a do nothing corrupt prosecutor with one that would do his job, could conceivably commence investigating Burisma. But, it's a moot point either way, becauses (link below) a Senate Report headed by Repub Sen Ron Johnson found no corruption involvement by Hunter Biden while a board member at Burisma.

So, your question's premise rises or falls on whether or not Shokin was investigating corruption, and by extension, Burisma.

All the the available evidence and reportage, which is the view of the State Dept at the time, the view of the IMF and World bank at the time, was that PG Shokin was not investigating corruption, and by extension, NOT investigating Burisma.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...raine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/

Biden leveraged $1B in aid to Ukraine to oust corrupt prosecutor, not to help his son

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-report-wrongdoing-biden-son-ties-ukraine-firm/story?id=73192146

A report released Wednesday by Senate Republicans found that the role of Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, on the board of the Ukrainian energy company Burisma was "awkward" and at times "problematic" for U.S. officials dealing with the country, but provides no new evidence and found no instance of policy being altered as a result of his role.

Sens. Ron Wyden and Gary Peters, issued a separate report stating that Republicans found "no evidence" of wrongdoing by Vice President Biden and "no evidence" of alterations to U.S.-Ukraine policy to assist Hunter Biden.
"The Chairmen have uncovered absolutely no evidence of wrongdoing by Vice President Biden," the minority response reads. "Instead, this effort has been a partisan and unnecessary distraction from important business before both Committees as the country faces a once in a century pandemic."

 

I rebutted your post, see prior. #95

But, this was from an old post given a few years ago, debunking the claim that the Biden Ukraine affair was corrupt. It was the opposite, it was a foreign policy achievement


Here are the multiple sourced FACTS.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...emember-signing-2016-letter-urging-reform-of/

““The United States, the European Union, the I.M.F., and Ukraine’s leading reform figures were all pressing for Viktor Shokin to be removed from office because he was one of the biggest obstacles to fighting corruption in the entire country. This was a bipartisan goal in Congress as well.”

The withholding of loan guarantees spoken of by Biden in that video was the incentive to get the Poroshenko/Ukrainian Parliament to fire Shokin, the corrupt Ukraine prosecutor, which was the foreign policy of the United States, and the International Monetary Fund with the approval of Democrat and Senate Republicans, at that time.

Why? Because Obama was wary of providing military support to Ukraine, at the time, given the massive corruption in the Country, and SHOKIN was NOT doing his job to fight corruption and naturally Obama didn't want taxpayer funds misappropriated in a corrupt country.

That is precisely the OPPOSITE of the claim.

What, do you (who believe the conspiracy theory) think a man with 30 years in the Senate would be stupid enough to admit to a federal crime on television? If you do, you are unaware of the facts and haven't thought it through.

ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden–Ukraine_conspiracy_theory

The conspiracy theory alleges that then-Vice President Biden withheld loan guarantees to pressure Ukraine into firing a prosecutor to prevent a corruption investigation into Burisma and to protect his son. The United States did withhold government aid to pressure Ukraine into removing the prosecutor, in accord with the official and bipartisan policy of the federal government of the United States. The US government, along with the European Union, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, believed the prosecutor to be corrupt and ineffective and too lenient in investigating companies and oligarchs, including Burisma and its owner. A January 2018 video shows Biden taking credit for withholding the loan guarantees to have the prosecutor fired, acting to implement bipartisan US policy rather than for the reasons the conspiracy theory alleges.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...r-joe-investigation-impeachment-a9147001.html

Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story


Republicans wanted Shokin removed, as well:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ctual-conspiracy-theory-or-anything-close-it/


https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/poli...oed-biden-on-ukraine-reforms-kfile/index.html


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...r-joe-investigation-impeachment-a9147001.html

Factchecking right wing lies
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ecking-first-trump-biden-presidential-debate/

(Even the GOP chairman of the Homeland Security Committee which spearheaded this report, Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, backed the effort to remove Shokin, saying the “whole world” agreed he wasn’t doing a good job.)

https://www.reuters.com/article/usa...itical-controversy-over-ukraine-idUSL2N26E1AX

April 21, 2014: Biden, then vice president, visited Ukraine’s capital, Kiev, in a show of support for the country’s government amid rising tensions with Russia.

May 13, 2014: Burisma Group, a private company that has drilled for natural gas in Ukraine since 2002, announced that Hunter Biden would be joining its board. Around that time, Burisma’s founder, a former government official named Mykola Zlochevsky, was under investigation for alleged money laundering by Britain’s Serious Fraud Office.

Dec. 8, 2015: Biden visited Kiev again and spoke out against bureaucratic corruption that he said was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Biden threatened to withhold loan guarantees unless Ukraine’s top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who had been widely accused of corruption, was removed.

Shokin had investigated Burisma but the probe was dormant at the time Biden pushed for the prosecutor’s termination, Bloomberg reported earlier this year, citing a former Ukrainian official.

March 29, 2016: The Ukrainian Parliament voted to remove Shokin.

Jan. 23, 2018: Biden, at a Council on Foreign Relations event, detailed how he had threatened to withhold funds from Ukraine if Shokin was not removed.

April 2019: Hunter Biden’s term as a Burisma board member expired and he stepped down from the company.

May 16, 2019: Bloomberg quotes Ukraine’s current top prosecutor as saying he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Hunter Biden or his father.

 

Oh, I know, I know! Pick me!

It's because it wasn't known at the time that the Biden crime family had a massive money laundering operation where they funneled millions of dollars through a couple dozen shell companies from corrupt overseas oligarchs looking to bribe Joe Biden.

After we learned about the millions in bribes accepted by the Biden family, people started questioning their motives when the Big Guy intervened in ways that benefited his family's bribery operation.

 

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Wow...two whole posts made for just one post.

Underlined: My point was already made. There was no point beyond what I stated. You have only assumed that I had a point beyond what I stated. I didn't. @StillBlue made a flippant comment, I responded in kind. I had no other objective. So, as you see, there was nothing to rebut. You were arguing against yourself. Not once have I disputed, or affirmed, anything you said that wasn't directly tied to my statement. Which was simply "Biden got Ukraine to fire a prosecutor that was investigating a company his son worked at. He was quite happy about it..." And you've already admitted that each element in my statement is true. Everything else, was of your own making through assumptions. You are of course quite free to believe that I meant more to it than there was to my statement. It is your prerogative after all. But the truth is...there wasn't. :shrug:

 

No, you don't know.

The accusation about Joe bragging about extortion is from a video. The conclusions about that accusation are drawn entirely from the video the allegations of which have long since been debunked.

Moreover, there is NO evidence for in illegal activity by Joe Biden, no evidence of money laundering, no evidence of influence peddling by the 'Biden Family'. Hunter has a tax charge, but that doesn't prove money laundering or influence peddling noting that he was not charged with either allegations.

 

Wait just a minute. Let's back up a little.

Much of what I wrote was stuff that had to do your comment:

It is a fact that Shokin was investigating Burisma,

If that were true, then the general claim about Joe's firing Shokin was corruptly motivated would also be true, and it is reasonable to believe that was your implication.

It is reasonable to assume you are implying that allegation, because it ties directly to your false allegation.

So, your actual claim about Shokin investigating Burisma is factually inaccurate, proof already posted. Since your claim is false, the other echo chamber claims of corruption/extortion, are false.