Why would you vote for Donald Trump, knowing this?

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    why should I vote for Biden? you just to seem to not understand that many people oppose

    1) gun bans
    2) picking supreme court justices based on them being latina, lesbian, female or black rather than being the best legal minds available
    3) thinking abortion is the only "constitutional" right that matters
    4) making productive people pay more and more taxes so politicians can buy the votes of the lazy, the slothful and the unproductive
    5) allowing millions of illegals into this country
    6) thinking Unions matter more than the companies they work for
    7) thinking dudes ought to play in girls sports

    and we will vote against those who support the above
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    If it's President who has ADMITTED sexual abuse, Biden is definitely not your guy. I'm just using your post to address those who might still be on the fringe, but DON'T think that's a good thing. You, yourself, are a lost case. I have no expectation that you will refrain from voting for Trump even if he stood in the middle of 5th avenue and shot some random stranger.
     
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  3. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    You failed to counter any of my solid points.
     
  4. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Biden won't drop out. If he is incapacitated, the election will still go on, and the Vice President will assume the presidency via the 25th amendment.
     
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    Not sure understand what you meant there.
    If he is incapacitated, the VP takes his spot automatically on the ballot?
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    what solid points. I have never seen any in your posts
     
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    ******** on workers I see.
     
  8. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    unions tend to be corrupt and over the years no longer guarantee good work for good pay. All they want is more pay for less work and they protect bad workers. the worst by far are public sector unions. some of the old trade unions like the IBEW actually train young adults and I have no issues with them. Crap like AFSCME are a scourge and rape the tax payers
     
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    Well it certainly doesn't help that the right has been steadily working to eradicate unions since the 80s.
     
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    well we need to get rid of public sector unions. they do nothing but extort money from the public and often they are "negotiating" with politicians they put into office who have no reason to protect the tax payer. as to real trade unions, that's a different story.
     
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    So just leave them at the mercy of their employers.
     
  12. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    governmental employees have all sorts of safeguards. I spent 24 years dealing with APWU, NALC, etc. Do you not understand what happens when politicians are "bargaining" with public sector unions that often put them into office? the taxpayers that the short end of the stick
     
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    Interesting thinking process. You would put a perverted , mentally dysfunctional ( sociopath) , law breaking loon in charge of this nation?? The "alternative" maybe old, but he is still a LOT better in all spheres.

    The above creepiness is just another negative in a big load of negatives that the man represents.
     
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    Because that's just a statement. Biden has actions that actually affected me, like the unprecedented mass censorship program over Covid (and now other subjects like I predicted they would if we let them censor us on Covid) or other blatantly unconstitutional actions like the vaccine mandates, or simply dishonorable actions like abandoning our Afghan allies, or extremely risky actions like attacking Putin in his backyard to secure his, and our other treasonous leaders' shady business deals in Ukraine.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Vaccine mandates have been ruled as constitutional by the Supreme Court, where they have been selective is in where they can be applied. The government cannot mandate the entire country to take a vaccine, but certain sectors, such as the CMS employees, the mandates were allowed to continue.

    You're pointing fingers at President Biden for a bunch of stuff that's got you riled up. First off, you're worried about what you see as a major clampdown on free speech because of how Covid info was handled. You reckon this has opened the door to censoring all sorts of other things, too. It's definitely worth a closer look to figure out what's really going on there, especially since the line between government advice and what social media platforms decide to do can get pretty blurry.

    Then there's the whole vaccine mandate thing. You're not buying it, calling it straight-up unconstitutional. But it's worth remembering that, in addition to the aforementioned, above, there's this old Supreme Court case, Jacobson v. Massachusetts, that's been the word on this for a long time. It basically says the government can make you get vaccinated if it's for the greater good (remember. mandates always give a choice, though choice might not be a good one). It's a tricky balance, though, between what's good for everyone and personal freedoms.

    About leaving our allies in Afghanistan in the lurch—that's a tough one. The way the U.S. left was a mess, and a lot of people have strong feelings about it. But pinning it all on Biden simplifies a super complex situation that's been years in the making, with plenty of blame to go around.

    And lastly, your take on attacking Putin to cover up dodgy deals in Ukraine—that's a heavy accusation. The situation with Russia and Ukraine is about a lot more than just some under-the-table dealings. It's a big geopolitical chess game with national security, democracy, and international relationships at stake.

    You're obviously passionate about these issues, and it's good to ask tough questions. Just keep in mind that these topics are layered and not as black-and-white as they might seem. It's all about digging into the facts, understanding the bigger picture, and recognizing that these decisions are rarely made lightly.
     
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    Few promote banning guns. They want controls at least equal to getting a drivers license before you own weapons and the removal from homes and streets guns that can kill many rapidly. Have you ever heard of a person actually defending their home successfully by shooting their attacker with an AK 47 styled weapon?
    Have you looked.at the justices appointed by T****? Not exactly first in their.classes now were they?
    The only example of people thinking only one amendment matters would be part of a sentence, not the entire sentence mind you, of the second amendment by conservatives.

    How do you defend that the Forbes 400 pay an average of only 8% in federal taxes while the working poor pay nearly double that in Social Security alone? Yet the Forbes 400 lead the fight to lower Social securities that they contribute so little of their incomes to.

    Where were you when Bush Jr set the record and Obama dropped it? Where were you when a bipartisan bill to address the issue squashed by a candidate for president?

    Unions only exist to defend the workers against predatory practices. Employers salaries rise at rates of a hundred times or more than the workers. Pay well and no unions.

    That is an extraordinarily rare event and time should and will work it out. I am an extreme liberal and don't want this.
     
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    Actually, I see little that Biden could have done differently. He got the departure date extended by 6 months from that set by his predecessor. There was no secret as to when that date would be. He could not force people to leave yet some blame him for the disorder when those that had known for 6 months decided they had to leave at taxpayers expense on the last day. He announced the timeline for total withdrawal in April and he reaffirmed that again in early July, yet people blame him for the fools that waited until the army had to defend them at the airport to leave? I'd be more inclined to put any military deaths incurred on their heads. I live in a less than stable country and I'd never blame the government for failure to evacuate me. My choice to stay.
    He did not release 5000 Taliban fighters from incarceration, that was done by his predecessor. What a difference it could have made if he had left it up to the Afghanis to free 5000 hardened soldiers or keep them incarcerated.
    Biden did not arm the Taliban and had no power to reclaim what previous administrations had provided the Afghanis. Again, what would have happened to those arms had the 5000 Taliban been left incompacitated? Keeping in mind that only a quarter of the population live in urban areas, 5000 Taliban fighters would have been a significant force, especially with their recruiting of existing soldiers into their ranks.

    So to those that would blame Biden, what could he have done differently? He did not negotiate with and release the opposition solldiers. He extended the departure date 6 months. He publicized the departure date repeatedly. He did not send arms to Afghanistan. He could not force Americans to leave earlier than emergency evacuations. So, what could he have done? Ignore a treaty made by his predecessor? Say sorry for you to the fools who waited until the last minute and wanted emergency evacuation that put the soldiers at risk? I see little to nothing he could have done that would have made it better beyond ignoring a treaty signed by his.predecessor and that would not have been a good principal to set.
     
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    every democrat who sought the nomination in 2020 wanted to ban AR 15 style rifles which meant any centerfire rifle that used a detachable magazine--the argument was those rifles are used in less than 2% of murders but they had to be banned to stop crime. If they are honest, they also want to ban handguns (which was the main goal of anti gun democrats for 50+ years) because they are used in far more murders

    Yeah Gorsuch and Kavanaugh were both top of their law school classes. Gorsuch was a Marshall Scholar as well. Barrett was "the best graduate" of Notre Dame in "30 years" according to the dean.

    you bought the lies of Biden where he counted-AS INCOME, UNREALIZED increases in assets. IN reality the 760 or so billionaires pay a rate about three times that on their actual income.

    public sector unions only protect bad workers. Most employers don't make anything like that. You are confusing billionaires with small and medium business owners.
     

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