Should Trump be held in pretrial detention?

There is only one action to be taken in the case of a structure fire- get out quickly.

There are a multitude of actions to be taken in the case of govt corruption, and violence is at the very bottom of the list of possibilities. Trump has only told people to do ONE of those possibilities- vote for Trump. You don't have to do that. You can do one of the many other possibilities that don't include violence, such as not voting for Trump.

Trump has not in any way yelled 'fire' in a crowded theatre.

 

There is plenty of case law on this. For him to be held criminally responsible, he has to make a direct threat or a direct plea for violence. As far as I'm aware, he hasn't. Vague statements he makes aren't enough. Your spinning what he says into decalring he did also isn't enough. Nor is it enough if his followers spin what he said and do violence. He has to actually say it. And no, hearsay of his political detractors claiming he said it also isn't enough. Get the man on the record and you've got a case. If he actually tweeted "hang mike pence" you have something tangible. I'm not aware of such a tweet from him.

He definitely should have done more to discourage it, but him not discouraging it isn't the same as him calling for it. He may be irresponsible, but I've seen no evidence that he is criminally liable.

 

His oft repeated to this day the claim the election of 2020 was stolen despite all the evidence to the contrary is just one prime example.

 

To that I say "stand back and stand by."

 

What a Great Idea !

 

DOJ investigations = evidence ..... please show us this evidence.

 

Do you really not understand that the DOJ cannot prove a negative? It's the responsibility of the accusers to provide evidence and crickets don't count, something real.

 

Anyone else would have been jailed pending trial LONG ago.

 

He 100% should! This would jack up his numbers even higher.

 

The person whose is misinformed is you.

Do you understand how our system works and that the "reasonable suspicion" that Comer has uncovered is the very low bar set to start DOJ investigations... not only have those requirements been met, but should have never been an issue for Comer from day one as the DOJ already had the information for years and failed to do their job to investigate... Comer, through his oversight is uncovering the corrupt and involved DOJ along with shady Biden family dealings...

 

and he can still be your president while sitting in jail...

 

Pretty bad when Joe Biden was using pseudonym emails to do government business.. and passing government business on to his son, Hunter..
the VP uses a to communicate with the VP office and include his crack head son who worked for Burisma in country...
and not a peep heard
https://bidenreport.com/#p=163

 

Pretty bad when Joe Biden was using pseudonym emails to do government business.. and passing government business on to his son, Hunter..

Thanks again Marco polo
https://bidenreport.com/#p=163

 

and all connected together with emails..... the office of the VP, the VP using a pseudonym email.... and relaying government business to his son who has a vested interest in the issue....

https://bidenlaptopemails.com/email.php?id=20160526-220800_72156

 

He needs to stop threatening the judges and lawyers, or they have no choice than to lock him up before someone gets killed. Anyone else would have been locked up already.

 

That is not a crime. Hillary and many Democrats did the same thing BTW when going on and on about Trump not being a legitimate president.

Perhaps. Perhaps he wrote an email that will surface in which he ordered the hanging of mike pence or the storming of the whitehouse, but I think that would have surfaced by now. Perhaps somebody will now try to fabricate such as they get more and more desperate and Trump appears more and more likely to win the election.

 

Your crowd has a demand for French Revolution-like drama, such as the Roger Stone raid and the lust for the Trump mugshot (which turned into kind of a disappointment for you guys, sorry). Believe me, if you could engineer a "shot while trying to escape" scenario you will.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/brendan-hunt-guilty-prison-sentence-b1839246.html
Federal prosecutors expect “at least” 100 more people will face charges, they revealed in court documents last week.

Yes, While Hitler did not explicitly order Kristallnacht, his rhetoric created the atmosphere of hatred and anti-Semitism which led directly to it (and Hitler didn't condemn the act, either, and no, I'm not comparing Trump to Hitler (which I went into great detail in my 'No, Trump is not Hitler' thread and the notion that the perps in Germany were soldiers doesn't alter the point, 'atmosphere of hate' is the point).

If Trump were some lowly individual, a mere mortal like you and me, there wouldn't be an issue here.

However, his mean tweets result in the disruption of judicial process, intimidation of witnesses, judges, clerks, and their staff. Sure, the perps are responsible for their actions, however, but for Trump, it wouldn't be happening at least not on the scale that it is happening.



Oh, this isn't to say that but for Trump, it wouldn't happen here and there, but with Trump, it's happening wholesale, it spikes when he attacks, and there is a solid correlation where he is creating an atmosphere of hatred and threats, plus the fact that, because Trump does little to prevent it, we can surmise he is doing it deliberately to gain some perceived advantage. There are just two many examples, one famous one is the lawsuit by Ruby

Oh, yes, Trump shares in the responsibility, on that question, there can be no doubt.

 

@Patricio Da Silva
Show us these threatening phone calls and emails.
I see you are still stealing someone else’s work without giving them credit with your own PDS production.

 

'Authority' is irrelevant. Trump has 65 million followers who hang on to his every word, and a small, but noteworthy percentage them are deranged and when Trump attacks judges, clerks, staff, election officials, Trump's deranged followers give death threats. Both share in that responsibility, and Trump given this fact, must act responsibly and he clearly does a lot more to fan the flames than quell them.

Here's the thing, he is a criminal defendant and is compelled by law to be responsible, not intimidate judges, witnesses, staff and clerks and their families. If it were anyone else, he would be held in pretrial detention. But this justice system is going out of their way to give Trump special treatment.

The FBI is doing everything they can to catch them, this is not the point.

 

If you can find anything I've posted that contradicts that principle that the DOJ should operate devoid of political considerations, then quote me.

But, I doubt you will be able to. I think I've been fairly consistent on that point, and, therefore, your conclusion isn't based on reality.

 

Well, what is different here is that Trump is a CRIMINAL DEFENDANT. Anyone else would have been held in pretrial detention, long ago. But they are giving Trump special treatment.

 

A few weeks ago, by McAfee.

 

8th amendment.

You can take his passport, access to his jet, and give him monitoring and a large bond.

 

That depends on the charge.