The Answer To Our Problems, EV's

You're not counting the gas. Once these new batteries make the cars lighter than ICEs, I fully expect you to start reporting the reverse facts.

 

You're the one blurting out untruths without any backup.

 

LOL,

Says the man who never provides a counterpoint to what I write thus you are batting ZERO.

Cheers.

 

Reality bites everywhere, apparently.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/volkswagen-electric-car-sales-plunge-122915038.html

 

I prefer backed up arguments, from a legitimate source. Then I read and comment.

 

But no warming in Antarctica with an increase in atmospheric CO2 from 280 ppm to 420 ppm in the last 200 years. The models predict warming in Antarctica but there has been none. Why?

This data shows the little ice age extending to 1910. It is common knowledge that the little ice age ended ~ 1880. Why?

 

Volkswagen has also taken a huge hit in China. They were far and away the largest market share auto manufacturer in China for years.

https://www.ft.com/content/afad4566-6404-483e-934f-c905507bf1d0

Now, after four decades building the world’s biggest car market from scratch and profiting from the rise of an economic superpower, the automaker has suddenly found itself fighting for its position in China.
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For years this set-up posed few problems. US and Japanese rivals did the same and Chinese consumers placed a premium on all things foreign. Yet today it has left staff feeling hamstrung and disempowered as their Chinese rivals unveil smart driving technologies and new EV models.

And of course this isn't helping their bottom line in Germany.

https://www.aol.com/finance/german-dealership-launching-byd-only-113708301.html

A German dealership is launching a BYD-only showroom in Berlin, as Tesla killer tries to make its presence in Europe known

The group’s newly announced factory in Hungary is expected to start churning out cars in the next three years in a bid to avoid steep import tariffs. In the meantime, it has also earmarked special cargo ships to transport EVs from to Europe. The first ship carrying 7,000 cars set sail in January.

 

What models? Just off the cuff, my gut instinct tells me that most of the CO2 is generated by fossil fuel burning in the Northern hemisphere, so the CO2 tends to congregate up North. Thus, your argument would be further proof that atmospheric CO2 is a driver of the warming.

 

Volkswagen in Red China exists at the pleasure of the Chinese Communist Party. Germans pay 3X what US consumers pay for electrical energy. Let's see how the wind powered German energy system can handle increases in EV's.

 

Yes the point is to discourage people from buying them.

 

Global circulation models. The ones that predict huge gains in atmospheric temperature when that is not what is being observed.

Your gut is wrong. CO2 is almost instantly mixed in the atmosphere. The current CO2 global measurement comes from a mountain top in Hawaii (Mauna Loa Observatory (MLO) is located on the north flank of Mauna Loa Volcano, on the Big Island of Hawaii, at an elevation of 3397 meters, or 11,135 feet above sea level).

 

That's one location. There are 4 locations.

https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/insitu/#:~:text=GML measures greenhouse gases at four of the,Loa, Hawaii; American Samoa; and South Pole, Antarctica.

GML measures greenhouse gases at four of the Observatories: Barrow, Alaska; Mauna Loa, Hawaii; American Samoa; and South Pole, Antarctica.

And "my gut" could be wrong. But based on the incomplete data above, I wouldn't take your word for it. Link?

 

Use the link that you provided. The CO2 data plots ( from Mauna Loa, American Samoa, and the South Pole) are identical.

 

You do understand production of electric cars creates more greenhouse gas than production of conventional cars?

So if you're worried about greenhouse gas the thing to buy would be a used car because nothing has to be produced nothing has to be melted down and recycled you just using something for longer.

 

The Chinese began squeezing the Americans out long ago.

 

There is no indication gas was not included.

 

A gallon of gasoline weighs 6 lbs. In my 36 gallon tank, that's 216 lbs. And I've got a range of 650+ miles unloaded. Probably around 500 miles pulling an 8000 lb. trailer. A directly comparable F150 Lightning has a max range of 300 miles unloaded. About 70 or 80 miles with the same 8000 lb. trailer.

A gallon of diesel weighs about 7 lbs. 2 300 gallon tanks with 4200 lbs. of fuel on a normal semi-truck will have a range of 4800 miles or enough to drive around the entire country loaded to 80,000 lbs.

The Tesla semi gets a whopping 500 miles of range- max. Period.

It really doesn't matter what magic battery potion comes up in the future. EVs suck at doing work. That, and the overall inconvenience of trying to charge them, means that they won't ever beat ICE for the foreseeable future.

They're a permanent 4-5% unsubsidized market share in this country. If they weren't, the government wouldn't need to spend so much money trying to sell them.

Good luck with those reverse facts.

 

Plus of course the E Semi would to spend the time to charge the battery every 500 miles. There was a WSJ article I posted a few weeks ago in which an actual truck driver stated that he could make 6 runs in a diesel but only 2 in an E Semi in the same period of time (12 hour day IIRC).

 

You're absolutely right. Heavy-duty trucks are where the idea of EVs goes to die. They're specifically configured for the exact work they are intended to do. Choose the engine, torque curve, transmission, frame length, axles, gearing, PTO, tires, etc. Bolt all that custom chosen equipment together and drop a cab (also custom) on it and git 'er done.

And because it's all used for work it still has value when you're done with it. Simply unbolt it all and adjust the whole shebang to go to the next job.

They'll never do that with an EV.

 

Range, range, range - a failr argument, but I think it's way overused. Three points:
1. Why worry about range, when that trip that over 200-300 miles is one-in-a-thousand?
2. For that one-in-a-thousand trip, one can pull over for 15-20 minutes, get a FAST-CHARGE to 80 % capacity, and be back on the road.
3. One can always use other modes of transportation for those longer trip - train, airline, bus, etc.
4. Most charging is done at home, at reduced electrical rates, and charge the vehicle to full capacity.

 

It's not range that's the issue. It's an EV's substantial inability to do work.

And until that is conquered, you can come up with all kinds of inconvenient and lame ways to restructure your life to work around it, but if my Mom 450 miles away suddenly falls ill, I won't regret having a good, old, reliable gasoline-powered truck that can get me there as fast as possible.

 

Why is the government forcing us to buy an inferior product at a higher price?

 

Because they want to take away your cars, your guns, and your president.

 

That's no answer.

 

No, it actually is. That demonstrably has been for at least the last forty years.

Finally something honest in his replies.

But June's coming.