The Answer To Our Problems, EV's

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if it was a typo or not. But it's in lithium iron phosphate battery. And the only point to that is that it's cheaper to manufacture. It's not as Superior material that's just a more cost-effective one.

    They can be good on the highway in short distances if you have to travel any amount of distance they're not. Having to stop and charge it up as a lot more of a headache than filling up gasoline or diesel car.

    When it comes to range estimates I always subtract a third to a half because every manufactured lies about that. No car gets their range. Not in reality.
     
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    Lithiium Iron Phosphate is used for the cathode.

    BYD is launching its next-gen Blade EV battery soon with more range and even lower cost

    https://electrek.co/2024/04/08/byd-... reach,the new battery as soon as August 2024.

    By using lithium-iron-phosphate as the cathode material, BYD can make the batteries much cheaper. Not only that, but they also offer competitive power density compared to NCM batteries (Nickel Cobalt Manganese)..
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    BYD’s leader added that it will also reduce power consumption per 100 km, which will likely promote more range and performance.
     
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    The Chinese Communist Party is investing in EV's so that it can reduce oil imports and use more electrical energy produced by domestic coal fired power plants. Plus they sell the EV's to the western democracies resulting in electrical grid stability problems and reduced economic growth. It's sophisticated state failure” for the energy suicide of the West.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    While ICE shills and the oil industry complain about the US government doing anything to advance EV technology or support for new technology. China's not the problem. We're shooting ourselves in the foot. Thank goodness for Tesla, otherwise the US would be accomplishing next to nothing.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Red China is shooting us in both feet. Plus building 2 coal fired power plants each week. Oh the irony.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I trust absolutely nothing out of China. They rip off people and lie so none of this is real until I physically see it in it's complete function
    Chinese nonsense.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I've been reading stories about the rip off of the Porsche tycan it's called a millet. The tycan has issues with trapping people inside because they didn't know how to designed a door opener override.

    But I bet the Chinese junk has a worse safety record. Saw one get in a front in collision and no airbags I bet they didn't install them.
     
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    Pieces of Malarkey Well-Known Member

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    Why on earth is it the US government's responsibility to do anything to advance EV anything?

    If they can't compete, they can't compete. Let 'em die.
     
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    Somebody complained about Chinese companies getting governmental support. If you want to stay ahead in a market, some support helps. The Chips and Science act has been very beneficial to help US companies get back into this market.
     
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    This isn't nonsense. Selling for under $10K in China.

    BYD_Seagull.JPG

    And their EV batteries aren't nonsense. Nearly every EV being sold is now looking to Chinese-made batteries.
     
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    Red China is building two coal fired power plants a week to charge up the glorified golf carts.
     
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    Tariffs can be used to fight Chinese low balling of anything and that would certainly be appropriate. But handing out taxpayer money to specifically develop EV technology is an absurd waste of time.

    If EVs inherently can't compete, and they can't, it's not up to the government to spend my money subsidizing them. Let normal market forces sort that out.
     
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    The pot calling the kettle black ---

    In 2022, Americans used about 135.73 billion gallons of gasoline

    https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained...billion gallons of finished aviation gasoline.

    Not defending China's coal, but on a per capita basis, they use about half of the energy as a typical American. At the same time, China is installing about twice the renewable power as the US in the last few years. How is your rooftop solar coming along?
     
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    Tariff away. China has no plans to sell cars in the US. Biden's renewable policy doesn't give EV tax credits for Chinese manufactured batteries. I guess you'll be voting for him! Even with this policy, Borg Warner (Michigan based major US automobile part supplier) signed an exclusive deal with BYD to build their batteries in the US.

    https://www.autonews.com/china/borg...been granted,such rights by FinDreams Battery.

    BorgWarner Inc. has been granted permission by FinDreams Battery Co., a subsidiary of BYD Co., to produce lithium iron phosphate batteries for commercial vehicles in Europe, the Americas and some Asia Pacific regions. BorgWarner said it has become the first auto supplier awarded such rights by FinDreams Battery.Feb 22, 2024
     
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    And what does that have to do with anything?
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    You said you want tariffs. I'm saying that, when it comes to EVs, China is going to get a piece of the pie, one way or another. Whether they sell their cars or not.
     
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    So what? Fossil fuels are the most cost effective and efficient sources of energy. Switching to EV's is exactly what Red China wants the western democracies to do.

    They install it but don't use it.
     
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    When it bricks in the middle of traffic it you burn to death in it it will be.

    I'd crawl on my belly over broken glass in a speedo before is get in that death trap
    To higher standards than a communist party shell company and required to meet standards and not notorious for poisoning their own children by making counterfeit rice.

    If you want to drive that slopwagon you be my guest. I'd walk before I paired way too much for that trash can

    Needs to be about 1k to be with the scrap of sell it for.
     
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    China installs renewable power, but doesn't use it? Link please?
     
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    In that case, you'll have no problem finding a bad auto review from a respected source. Link please.
     
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    I charge for that.

    Payment up front
     
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    Government coercion goes hand in hand with EV advocacy.
    Germany Electric Car Sales Plummet 30% As Country Floats Idea Of Weekend Driving Ban!
    By P Gosselin on 13. April 2024

    There’s been a drastic drop in the registration of new electric cars in Germany as sales of the “clean” electric cars have slumped nearly 30% compared to a year earlier, reports Germany’s online Blackout News here.

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    Also: Germany’s transportation minister, Dr. Volker Wissing, threatens weekend driving ban (Fahrverbot) in order to meet climate targets!

    The massive sales drop is bad news for the current German socialist-green government, which aims to have 15 million vehicles on the road by 2030. Currently there are just 1.4 million!

    The dismal trend underscores the unpopularity of electric cars and consumers’ hesitancy when it comes to purchasing them. Electric vehicles are plagued by limited range, sparse charging infrastructure, steep upfront purchase price and their huge environmental impact, which involves the largescale mining of rare earths.

    “Their market share has fallen to just 11.9%. This casts a harsh light on the mismatch between Germany’s political goals and the reality of the automotive market. It is clear that political incentives and measures are inadequate,” reports Blackout News. “The abolition of the electric bonus at the end of 2023 has revealed another problem. The sector’s dependence on state subsidies became apparent. This has further exacerbated the crisis of confidence in the electric car market.”

    Fahrverbot: Germany floats national weekend driving ban!

    Another possible reason for hesitancy when it comes to purchasing a new car of any type may be partly due to the government’s general hostility to private mobility.

    Germany’s federal minister of transportation, Dr. Volker Wissing, is threatening to ban driving on weekends by motorists in order othe country “to meet climate goals set forth by the Climate Protection Act.”

    “A reduction in traffic to help meet the climate goals would only be possible through measures that are difficult to communicate to the public, such as ‘comprehensive and indefinite driving bans on Saturdays and Sundays,’ Wissing added,” so reports Politico here.

    Germany’s transportation sector would need to reduce CO2 by 22 million tonnes to meet its climate goals.

    So, what’s the point of buying a new car when drivers nay be forced to leave them in the garage every weekend? Germany’s economy and energy policy has turned into a circus run by clowns.
     
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    A significant percentage of Chinese wind and solar "capacity" is not connected to the grid or is curtailed from feeding power into the grid. Despite increasing wind and solar capacity those sources provide very little of the electrical power used in China. Meanwhile China continues to bring ~ 2 coal fired power plant units on line per day.

    https://insights.issgovernance.com/...d persistent,consumption, especially coal use.
     
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    Your original comment was "They install it, but don't use it". Through that statement you implied that this was all-enncompassing, when, per your link, 70-80% is connected to the grid. In Engineering, it's not unusual for one project to precede another. For all you know, the grid infrastructure could already be installed, and these systems could now be connected. I see no problem or deception here.
     
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    And that is exactly what I have posted. I am not responsible for your interpretation. And even if connected the wind and solar power is often not used - curtailed.

    Plus Red China has publicly stated that it does not make sense to eliminate fossil fuel power generation because of grid instability issues.
     
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