The Answer To Our Problems, EV's

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  1. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure. The Malthusian Progressives have been after guns and cars for decades. But I would be grateful if they took Biden away.

    The bogus enhanced CO2 effect hypothesis is the latest catastrophic crisis.
     
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    I doubt that EV's will ever become lighter than ICE vehicles.
     
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    Coercion to compel EV purchases continues.
    Biden’s impossible dream: Any car you want, as long as it’s an EV
    Opinion by George F. Will

    Government’s language often radiates contempt for the governed, as when the Environmental Protection Agency recently said limits on automobile emissions in model years 2027-2032 will “give drivers more clean vehicle choices.” The regulations are, of course, explicitly intended to restrict consumers’ choices by forcing manufacturers to produce fewer cars that have tailpipe emissions. Drivers will be able to choose any vehicle they want — from the “clean” category government prefers. As Henry Ford reportedly said, the Model T would be available in “any color” the customer wants, “as long as it’s black.”. . . .

    Businesses relying on electric pickup trucks find that time (which is money) is squandered on charging. When the trucks are used as, well, trucks — loaded, and towing things — batteries sag even faster.

    Winter is unkind to EVs: Cold slows the batteries’ chemical reactions. Some drivers who joined lines at charging stations with (supposedly) ample miles of remaining battery capacity had to be pushed, after long waits (high-speed chargers are slow — 30 to 60 minutes — compared with five-minute gas fill-ups), to the chargers. Hot weather, too, makes the chemical reactions less efficient.

    Spring, however, is Goldilocks season for EVs — neither too hot nor too cold. And soon, perhaps, government regulations will require temperatures to be mild, always and everywhere.
     
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    Like the price of gasoline electricity prices have taken a steep increase in the Biden years. Filling up with electrons has become much more expensive. Not good news for the glorified golf cart market which is 'tanking".

    Please click on image to enlarge it.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/electricity-prices-biden-green-energy-labor-department-2b4ea2cb?mod=opinion_lead_pos3#:~:text=Do White House,have solar panels.
     
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    OMG, Joe Biden is coercing you! Joe Biden is engaging, and he listens to the governors of the US and the Mayors of US cities. They are responsible to meet EPA air standards in their cities and states.
     
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    Joe Biden and the EPA is coercing everyone. If Linda Jackson was right everyone in Northern California would have died a few years ago due to 2.5 micron particulate inhalation from the wild fires due to forestry mismangement.
     
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    Just getting around in the city an electric car could work so for that application they have to be cheap you have to be easily obtainable by your average city dweller and if they're not it's never going to happen.

    But it can't be a primary car because it's not as useful as something that produces its own energy.
     
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    Here’s how EVs could get 200 miles per gallon

    When the Toyota Prius cruised into North America for the first time in the early aughts, drivers were shocked. At a time when the average sedan got just 23 miles per gallon (and the average passenger car just 20 miles per gallon), the Prius got 48. Thanks to regenerative braking and the little electric motor, its city mileage was better than its highway mileage.

    That was then. Now, when it comes to miles per gallon, electric vehicles blow hybrid cars out of the water. The average electric car in the United States today gets the equivalent of 106 miles per gallon. And, according to a new report, that number could more than double in the next decades, to the equivalent of more than 200 miles per gallon.

    That growth in efficiency — possible with technologies that exist today — could help ease the strain that electric vehicles are expected to place on the grid, extend battery range and even limit the need for public car charging. With a concerted push, the U.S. transition to EVs could be made smoother and billions of dollars cheaper for consumers, experts argue.


    Without it, the country could face increased electricity demand equivalent to about a quarter of all current U.S. electric power use.

    “It’s like walking by money on the sidewalk,” said Luke Tonachel, a senior strategist at the Natural Resources Defense Council and one of the authors of the report released Wednesday by NRDC and the Electric Power Research Institute. “We’ll miss out on savings that are right there in front of us.”

    The groups’ analysis finds that increasing the efficiency of EVs could cut energy consumption per mile in half by 2050 — and in so doing, reduce pressure on the grid by about half.
     
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    That's the smooth talk of arrogant power overriding the best interest of the population.
     
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    Don't understand the comment. Poor sentence structure.
     
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    You deny that government officials are ultimately responsible for meeting EPA standards?
     
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    Good points - with EVs, there are so many possibilities for increasing the efficiency of transportation and electricity generation.
     
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    Of course they are. The issue is the thoroughly corrupt way that the EPA created those standards.
     
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    Then you'd think they would sell themselves instead of being forced on us by the government.
     
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    That may be about to end.


    The justices have restricted EPA's authority to fight air and water pollution — including a landmark 2022 ruling that limited EPA's authority to regulate carbon dioxide emissions from power plants that contribute to global warming.Feb 21, 2024

    Supreme Court seems skeptical of EPA's 'good neighbor' rule
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    Supreme Court restricts EPA's authority to mandate carbon ...
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    Jun 30, 2022 — The U.S. Supreme Court, in a 6-3 decision, ruled that the Environmental Protection Agency does not have the authority to mandate carbon ...

     

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    So you are an expert on EPA Air Standards? You understand all the current standards, the threshholds, and the medical science behind those threshholds?

    Republicans had control of the House, the Senate, and the Presidency in 2017 and 2018. Why didn't they change those "corrupt EPA standards"?
     
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    Would that be cause for celebration for you? Do you want oil companies and other polluting corporations to have a free license to pollute? Are you aware that citizens have Constitutional rights in this country and Corporations do not?
     
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    The complete costs of fueling an EV are ~ 4X the current price of gasoline. The MPGe is ~ $17 per gallon.

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_a609f8aa-7443-11ee-83d3-df5b22909078.html
     
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    Yes. It's been part of my job for about 35 years.

    And the CO2 standards were not enacted by legislation. And they won't be reversed through legislation.

    Although once they are reversed, you and your compatriots will then be free to get them enacted properly through legislation. That would end every objection to them. That's how and why the Constitution is set up the way it is.

    Good luck with that.
     
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    I understand that the current 2.5 micron particulate requirements are completely bogus. Linda Jackson stated when they were implemented that it was equivalent to finding a cure for cancer. If those arguments were correct and they are not everyone in Northern California would have died a few years ago during the years of wild fires where the sun was red and we had actual ash on our tennis courts which had to be swept off before we played.

    Weren't you the one who could not answer what the human threshold for ozone was when arguing that California air was polluted and unfit to breath?
     
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    Heck yes! Already prepared with a nice bottle of Ardbeg.

    Yes, citizens have rights. About time your side stopped cheating us out of them.
     
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    That would indeed be cause for celebration.
     
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    It's insane. The US subsidizes its citizens to use less fossil fuels resulting in global consumers using more fossil fuels. Where is the logic in that?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/saving...s3#:~:text=“It’s like we,eight billion humans.
     
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    Sorry. Electric vehicles could be great city cars. They likely didn't need as much range, or as big of a battery. So they should be cheap. I'm rather puzzled by luxury cars. I kind of like the French approach to that concept.
     
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    Electric cars can be either city or highway. Just this past week, BYD and CATL, the two most prominent mass-produced battery manufacturers in the world, unveiled their version 2 Lithium Ion Phosphate batteries which are lighter and have more power density. There talking production releases this Summer! There will be two options, when buying a car with these batteries. Option 1: A much lighter EV, with the same mileage range as some of the current EVs (200-300 miles). Option 2: An EV with more batteries, about the weight of a current EV, with more mileage range (500-600 miles). Couple these facts with the fact that EVs can now be charged to 80% capacity in 10-40 minutes, depending on the charger; and you have a great highway car!
     

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