Restaurant Workers Lose Their Jobs Over Newsom’s $20 Minimum Wage

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  1. InWalkedBud

    InWalkedBud Well-Known Member

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    Spoken like someone who's never had to make payroll. ANY business is going to be stressed when they're forced to jack up their labor costs by 25%. Let alone a restaurant, where the profit margins are razor thin.

    Look forward to kiosks & conveyors replacing live staff where ever possible. Say goodbye to entry level gigs.
     
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    Look forward to kiosks & conveyors replacing live staff where ever possible.
    These are and have been for a few years now, and again, if minimum wage determines profit, then an ice cream store was running thin on customers.
     
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    That is the way the country is going. Fewer working jobs, more time wasting activities.

    Govt bureaucratic jobs are secure and pay well, we need a lot more of those.

    Maybe Biden can start another war to pay for them.
     
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    I have no idea what point you're trying to make with the ice cream remark. In any event, it's clear you've never had to meet a payroll.
     
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    I think he might be saying the answer is to automate everything if possible,
    to take the humans out of the economy.

    um, I don't know where we go from there.
     
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    Wow you just swooshed right over my question.

    I'm just trying to square the circle here, that the same people who support "If you cant pay your employees a living wage, then close shop and get a job yourself" ALSO seem to support more or less unlimited low wage immigrants that drive down wage rates for the poor and working class. It's a doggone mystery huh? If you really cared about raising wage rates for the poor and unskilled jobs, you would be interested in cutting off the flow of no or low skilled workers into the country.

    Simply a reminder that your ideology isn't consistent in the least.
     
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    Link: Minimum Wage Hikes Are Leaving Casualties in their Wake

    ...A review of economic analyses spanning thirty years shows an
    “overwhelming majority” of studies find minimum wage hikes cause job loss, in part because affected establishments are forced to close. Another study published by Harvard Business School finds every $1 increase in the minimum wage increases the likelihood of business closure by 14 percent...

    ...Areas debuting new wage hikes in 2023 were not immune. Media recaps of the outgoing year have one thing in common: rising costs are forcing restaurants and other businesses to shutter for good...


    That's a stunning data point from Harvard.
     
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    I've certainly never had to shut down an ice cream store because I couldn't manage minimum wage. A few dollars more an hour shouldn't break a store, unless that store was marginal to begin with.
     
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    What is the profit margin on an ice cream cone?

    Now take that and add up the costs of:

    Buying inventory
    Rent/lease
    Fire insurance
    Liability insurance
    Permits and regulations
    Health insurance
    Taxes
    Fees
    Utility bills
    Salaries and wages
    Theft

    How many ice cream cones does a store need to sell to pay for all of that? plus the cost of everything I mentioned is going up.
     
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    Cost of everything going up = dollar losing value
     
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    Imagine supporting a political party where you have to actually defend policies where people become unemployed.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Democrat Party favors the multi Billionaire oligarchs because some of them
    and the weapons industry, own the media.

    So Democrats look at the news, and it says bad things about Trump and good things
    about Biden and feel justified voting for Biden,

    totally unaware the country is in reality getting badly damaged.

    Dollar losing value, more and more wars, what a sh** show.
     
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    They blame the classic Boogeyman of the left for the decreasing power of the dollar.... It's either corporate greed or it's the bad orange man.

    Not a damn thing that has happened in this country in the last 4 years is the fault of any elected Democrat..... It's always someone else's fault.... All the damn time
     
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    I would understand why Californians want to work for higher wages.
    The Problems with California's Minimum Wage Increase - American Cornerstone Institute
    Working at McDonalds at $20.00 hourly might be something I myself would kill for. I don't think there are those in California that work in places such as client workers that work for that much and pretty much below the minimum wages. Paying high preces plus a 7.25% sales tax doesn't help either. I can understand that there are those that are moving out of California for greener pastures if you know what I mean.
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    Not all Californians are employable. Maybe most are or should be. If one is to find a job in California, he/she better be qualified for the job. Many jobs in California jobs are probablu high tech and there are some high tech jobs are moving out of California are moving out for greener pastures out of state.
     
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    Link: California Burger King franchisee to expedite self-serve kiosks rollout over $20 wage law

    A businessman who owns 140 Burger King franchises in California will slash workers’ hours and expedite the rollout of self-service kiosks to cut down on labor costs in response to the state’s new $20 minimum wage.

    Harshraj Ghai, who owns 180 fast-food restaurants throughout the Golden State, including Burger King, Taco Bell and Popeyes, told Business Insider last week: “We can’t move fast enough on this [rollout].”

    “We have kiosks in probably about 25% of our restaurants today,” he said. “However, the other 75% are going to have kiosks in the next probably 30 to 60 days.”...

    The remaining employees who are getting their hours "slashed" - do you think they'll be making more or less thanks to Comrade Newsom?
     
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    For minimum wage, about 2 large soft ice cream cones an hour. That's not saying much for customers.
     
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    How did we go from a living wage for american workers to "low wage immigrants"....?

    But since you brought it up, you know that the only people/wages counted in these reports are legal immigrants, and american workers. I have a clear record and have said many times that we have a border problem and it needs fixed.

    I only debated legal workers, and AMERICAN companies and their greed. Amazon and many companies like them outsource their labor to third world countries to help increase profits. But in the case of Jeff Bezos, he is doing literally everything in his power to stop unionization (re: Workers who actually have a voice). It is that model that has created the economy we have today, and its not sustainable. Biden could close the border tomorrow and in 2months-6months-1year this issue would still exist. If you want to debate the american economy, and the state of wages and the income/wage/wealth gap, we can do that any time

    Its not sustainable to have all the money concentrated at the top. This happened one other time in america, and it didnt go well for anyone as we went into a decade long depression. Do you honestly think this is going to be any different ?
     
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    Are you in favor of unions and higher minimum wages?

    Are you in favor of automation and reducing employment?

    What is going to happen to the surplus people?
    Or are they all going to get high tech degrees, and spend their lives
    paying off the debt?
    Or will everyone else pay their debt?
    Or will be bring in high tech workers from other countries who are
    less expensive?
    Then what will we do with our high tech workers?
    Where does the money come from the high tech work?
    Is it all 'defense' contracts?
    Who pays for those?

    I'm not clear on what your plan is.
     
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    To me there is a direct straight line from "a living wage for american workers to "low wage immigrants." It's simple supply and demand, and it's hard for me to take serious someone who claims to be concerned about a "living wage" for workers while busy trying to destroy their only true market bargaining power.
     
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    Oh yeah maybe chain corporations are so much better than local businesses.

    Also how much does a double scoop cost more 16 dollars if they didn't raise prices they are losing money.
     
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    You'll have to subsidize the higher prices to it have nothing.
     
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    What “market bargaining power” are you referring to ? Seriously…what power
     
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    I do not understand how the right can say to the worker, “if you cant make enough money to live, you should find another job”, but when the employer cant pay enough money to the worker so they can live, we subsidize the employer…..
     
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    I literally told you in my comment. The supply (of labor) vs the demand (for labor).
     
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