Could Benjamin Netanyahu Go To Jail? | If You’re Listening

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Yes - you certainly can respond.

    But, if your response is content free, why post it?

    If you have a question, ask it.
     
  2. AFM

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    It’s ridiculous to blame Netanyahu for the genocidal actions of Hamas.
     
  3. WillReadmore

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    ??

    I'm saying that there is no human shielding in Gaza.

    It's not a tactic that could possibly work, because the IDF will shoot anybody and everybody that isn't IDF.

    Accusing these fighters in Gaza of a tactic that could not even WORK is NOT ACCEPTABLE.
     
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    Hamas has not carried out ANY acts of genocide.

    Netanyahu is carrying out genocide right now.
     
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    You are running on empty.

    Israel publishes videos of this war, too.
     
  6. truth and justice

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    Palestinian shop-owner used as human shield by Israeli forces | Al Jazeera ...

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...wqsBegQIDxAG&usg=AOvVaw0F-YeDIVG63bgzfvzwNt13


    A photograph of a Palestinian boy tied to an Israeli police jeep has been handed to justice officials charged with investigating complaints over the use of "human shields" against demonstrators.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...forces-caught-using-boy-as-shield-561052.html

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    Israeli soldiers who used Palestinian boy, 9, as a human shield avoid jail
    Mother says suspended sentences and demotions for forcing her son to check bag for bombs at gunpoint are 'a scandal'
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/21/israeli-soldiers-human-shield-avoid-jail
     
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    We called them 'rent a crowd' but the far right had and still have their own version. They're just mirror images of each other. Swap their protest banners and it become hard to tell the difference.
     
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    Point to one sentence in my post where I said he was to blame for Hamas's actions. What I actually said was that as PM he was and is accountable for failure of the Israeli security and defense services to either detect some sign of the attack before it happened or failing that at least being ready to blunt it when it was launched. How is any of that debatable? Bi Bi was PM at the time and is PM now. The attack was not detected in advance and the IDF didn't stop it before there was a great loss of life, many civilian casualties and tremendous property damage.

    This is the problem with debates on highly polarizing issues like the Palestine/Israel dispute. People see what they want to see, not what's actually being written.
     
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    You can always count on Al Jazzera for unbiased truth about Israel.
     
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    Absolute BS.
     
  11. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Lol. You didn't even bother to read. Three links to different events from The Independent and The Guardian including an investigation and guilty verdict by Israeli court!
     
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    There entire actions starting in 2007 have been based on genocide. Hamas targets Israeli civilians with the objective of killing as many as possible. That is a genocidal action. Genocide is a explicitly stated goal in the Hamas charter as is the complete destruction of the nation state of Israel. Israel is defending itself and its citizens against the genocidal attacks of Hamas.

    This has been explained to you multiple times. And yet you deny the historical record.
     
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    I am running on the historical record. What videos of the Gaza War do you claim are staged by Israel? Hamas has a history of staging videos and releasing them.
     
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    Your post above shows that you blame Netanyahu for the successful genocidal actions of Hamas.

     
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    The above is all staged by Hamas. It is propaganda. It is part of the Hamas strategy to use human shields both voluntary and involuntary. The families of these shields are paid if any harm comes to them.
     
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    It was his job to stop it! What do you think the Isreali people are paying him for if not to protect them from these kind of things? And the same thing applies for every other head of State on the planet. Do you think George Bush got a free pass after 9/11?

    Hamas gets the blame for doing it, BiBi gets the blame for not stopping it. How dense (or partisan) does someone have to be to not see the difference. And NO that does not mean both are equally to blame. As the initiator/actor Hammas bears a far, far greater burden of blame than BiBi. That does not mean however that the PM is not responsible for failings of his administration.
     
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    And again you blame Netanyahu for the genocidal actions of Hamas specifically those on Oct 7 of 2023. Israel is a parliamentary democracy. Netanyahu was adamantly opposed to Israel leaving the Gaza Strip in 2005. But the Israeli government agreed to a two state solution in Gaza starting in 2005. This has resulted in the violent take over of Gaza by Hamas in 2006 and the initiation of rocket attacks (now over 30,000 since 2005).
     
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    Now you are being ridiculous! Clearly you are so blinded prejudice you can't distinguish between one person initiating an action thats wrong and subsequent serious failures on the part of someone else whose job it was to prevent such actions succeeding. You literally can't see the difference between someone committing arson and a fireman failing to attend the scene to put that fire out!

    Unless of course you believe the Isreali security forces actually did a great job preventing Hammas from succeeding with its plans on the day. In which case? Your just delusional.
     
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    Lol the Israeli court found the IDF guilty of using Palestinians as human shields. Yet you think that Hamas staged it!
     
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    I agree, there were cases where Israeli soldiers broke Israeli law which does not allow use civilians as human shield and they were punished, not as severely as many would like, but how behave the other side?
    Why don’t we condemn individual Israeli soldiers who used this boy as human shield and who were punished and condemn Hamas for doing the same thing:

    https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live...r-10-13-23/h_ad9fb74f40837ae2aca06c68bc57cd92
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...rom-leaving-gaza-us-official-says/ar-AA1j2Gxv
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...amas-shooting-at-people-trying-to-flee-south/
     
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    Netanyahu did lead the effort put the localized fire out on Oct 7. And he has been leading the effort to eradicate the arsonists from Gaza ever since to the benefit of both Gazan and Israeli citizens.

    You are blaming Netanyahu for the genocidal Hamas attack on Oct 7.
     
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    Hamas absolutely staged the entire thing. When and where did this alleged incident happen??
     
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    I gave links! Oh, and it's incidents, not incident. But hey, that is your MO of not reading posts you reply to
     
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    So you refsuse to state where and when. That is telling.
     
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    Gaza was occupied until 2005. It wasn't long before Hamas was attacking Israelis from Gaza.

    "Hamas and other militant groups continued to fire Qassam rockets across the border into Israel. According to Israel, between the Hamas takeover and the end of January 2008, 697 rockets and 822 mortar bombs were fired at Israeli towns. In response, Israel targeted Qassam launchers and military targets and declared the Gaza Strip a hostile entity. In January 2008, Israel curtailed travel from Gaza, the entry of goods, and cut fuel supplies, resulting in power shortages. This brought charges that Israel was inflicting collective punishment on the Gaza population, leading to international condemnation."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip
    Israel responded to rocket attacks with a blockade. What would you have had them do?
    Israel should have reoccupied Gaza long ago. They should not have responded to Oct. 7 with the extensive destruction they have. Jordan and Egypt have made clear they won't be taking Palestinian refugees and now Israel has 1m Palestinians without homes, jobs and hope.
    I asked you to say what you think the IDF was doing inside Gaza before Oct. 7. How about 'struggling' with a reply to my question?
    What do you think Israel had as objectives? Driving Gaza residents into exile in Egypt and Jordan? Killing Hamas forces?
    Your point is what? Israel destroyed a lot more than greenhouses.
     
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