you be a good little boy or girl and bow down to Islam, im sure they appreciate it. so if Islam starts killing because they are pissed you wont convert are you gonna become a muslim to appease them?
I'm sorry, but that does not make any sense. You're telling me that anytime someone makes a demand they are enabling responsibility transference to anyone who doesn't meet their demands? I dunno, maybe you're okay with taking responsibility with someone elses actions, but that still doesn't mean you actually did them. Incorrect, it is not deliberately insulting anyone, much less over a billion people, it's insulting only the extremists and radicals. It is a good reason, to let the pricks making death threats against us know that we will not be intimidated into conforming. I don't know that. What I know is that some extremist freaks threatened Americans who were exercising their rights, and as a group we have decided we are going to send a message that we're not accepting terrorism as a form of debate. Okay, thanks for your opinion on it. I agree with that philosophy. On this issue, we disagree as to it's rightness. The religious freaks making the death threats aren't going to change their ways as a result of not drawing mohammad, but tens of thousands of pictures from unafraid people might send a message: We're not afraid, and they will not inhibit our freedoms.
not bowing down to them is completely different than deliberatley insulting them just for the sake of doing so.
no, im saying when you do something deliberatley, knowing in advance what the consequences are going to be, and then doing it anyway, you are partially to blame. its not just the radicals that are against it, its islam itself. by deliberatley being disrepectful to that, you are insulting all of them. for no reason other than you can. which is an easy thing to do when its not your life on the line. youll happily let someone else get killed so that you can make your stupid point. [/quote] The religious freaks making the death threats aren't going to change their ways as a result of not drawing mohammad, but tens of thousands of pictures from unafraid people might send a message: We're not afraid, and they will not inhibit our freedoms.[/QUOTE] aand they arent going to change their ways after you do draw him. if anything, its going to (*)(*)(*)(*) them off even more. and then the problem just gets worse and worse.
its not the act of drawing muhammed itself im opposed to, its the making it a public spectacle. it makes no sense. the whole point of this is to publicly insult 1/6th of the world. you could be happy knowing that you have the right to draw him, or drawing him and having it be no big deal. but no, you want it to be a big public spectacle. like pastor jones. he could have excercised his rights and burnt the koran in private, or with a small group of like minded individuals. but no, he choose to make it a spectacle, not because he simply wanted to express his rights, everyone already knew he had the right to do, but because all he wanted was the satisfaction of insulting people he didnt like. thats what that was about, and thats what this is about.
The message should be generalized. I wouldn't want to target Muslims. Perhaps rolling a cigarette out of New Testament paper then smoking it and eating some bacon while drawing a picture of Mohammed.
That sounds like the greatest activity. If I'm gonna draw Muhammad, I need to know what his character is in the tales of the Koran and whatever other literature there is on him. Until then, I think I'll continue drawing nude women, and I'm pretty sure that also insults Muslims in a more indirect way.
they demand that we obide by their rules or they are gonna go psycho and kill. well to me it seems they deman us to mind their ways. we sure as hell dont mind christians ways and give them (*)(*)(*)(*) for just about anything they do. so what makes you think we should be more discriminate when it comes to muslims?
Wrong, I don't know what any consequences will be, because no threats have been issued against me or someone else for what I've drawn, nor does it change the principle: Do you understand the concept of not negotiating with terrorists? Do you understand why it is important? I don't care, I'm not muslim. This is where you say some variation of "that's the problem, you don't care if you offend people," and no, I find it offensive that people expect me to honor their religious codes. Wrong, the reason for Draw Muhammad Day is to let the ones making death threats that we're not afraid and will not be coerced. Wrong, I'm not choosing who they're targeting, and if I get a death threat, I'll produce 1,000 times more pictures. I really don't want to die, but I'm not living my life in fear and intimidation either. What can I say, the squeaky wheel gets the oil. If it's that big of a problem then it needs to be addressed on a larger scale...which is the point of Draw Muhammad Day.
For the umpteenth time, no, it isn't. YOU are saying that it is, but that is NOT what it is about. It is about taking a stand against threats.
And yet nobody lifts an eyebrow when people attack Christianity. Judaism and Islam are off limits, everyone else is fair game.
Wanna give an example? Christians are very fond of throwing blasphemy laws around or of stamping on people's freedom of expression when they think they can get away with it... witness the reaction to Jerry Springer the Opera, for example (and there are plenty of others). Or imagine the reaction if anyone tried burning copies of the Bible? (Incidentally, the only people who ever seem to do that, bizarrely enough, are Christians - Muslims wouldn't do that because their religion prohibits it, and atheists tend to have much better things to do...) If Islam was actually "off limits", as you put it, we wouldn't even be having this discussion would be, since there would be no Draw Muhammad Days to talk about, kinda obviously...
Actually, there was a Bible burning challenge on YouTube a while back. No violent reactions that I know of. In fact, I heard more atheists complain about it than Christians.
I see, so weve gone from "millions of death threats from Islamic terorists all overt the world" to one. Massive fail, son
Most of you people are just pawns of the predominately right wing media. Pavlov would be proud of you.
That is literally impossible, since there were no threats before the drawings were published it is impossibe for this to be a stand "against threats". Not only which any threats appear to be minimal or to exist only in the mind of some people.
One death threat, quite far from your version of millions of terrorists frothing at the mouth issuing murder threats isnt it? You also seem to have backed away form your claim that anyone has actually been murdered over these drawings. And this alleged threat appears to have been issued after the "artist " published her drawings which simply means it is impossible for her drawings to somehow be a "stand against threats" unless there was time travel involved. . I am astounded at how simple logic eludes some of you people, I really am.
'Or imagine the reaction if anyone tried burning copies of the Bible?' Didn't someone do that very same thing in Pakistan just recently. But when this happened, did anyone see: - riots in the street; - innocent people being killed; - threats of Jihad against the Muslim community; - threats of having the perpertrators throats cut, aka what happened in Holland to Theo van Gogh. No of course we didn't.
And as was already mentioned earlier in this thread, the event was originally a reaction to the death threats made to Trey Parker and Matt Stone after they attempted to include Muhammed in an episode of South Park. Due to the death threats, the second episode of the two parter was further censored by Comedy Central so that the episode could not even say the word Muhammed. Due to fear of direct violent repercussions, Comedy Central has since decided to remove episode 201 from being rerun. Shortly after, Draw Muhammed Day was suggested as a means to dilute the possibility of death threats in the future. Now you can dispute whether or not the initial threat was actually a threat, but there is no question that it directly resulted in the station further censoring the next episode and removing ep 201 from the rerun list.
If you are trying to sell me a story that this self serving egotistical artist is somehow a crusader for other peoples rights instead of being a self seeking publicity martyr then ive already got a used car thanks.
All it takes is one. Read the Fatwa in this case. I never made any such claim. Are you intentionally misrepresenting my position or are you just sloppy? . I never made any assessment as to the Ms. Norris' motivation, but here's why she did it: Norris drew up a sketch declaring May 20th "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" in response to Comedy Central's cutting of a portion of a South Park episode following a death threat from a radical Muslim group. "As a cartoonist I just felt so much passion about what had happened I wanted to kind of counter Comedy Central's message they sent about feeling afraid," Norris said in an April appearance on the Dave Ross Show. By the way, putting the word artist in quotes as you did constitutes an inaccurate representation of the facts: Norris is indeed a published professional artist and political cartoonist--or at least she was before some mindless thugs marked her for death for daring to call them out.
No, fight stupidity and the oppressive backwardness it creates. It's as simple as that. Enlightenment is long overdue in the islamic world.
