Stephen Hawkins Says Idea of Afterlife a "fairy tale"

We were done when you joined with the intention of merely whining about a casual aside rather than making any effort at a substantive argument re: the thread's subject matter.

It was, all in all, an underwhelming performance.

 

Yet another theist who has never bothered to understand what Einstein actually believed.

I'm shocked.

 

The thread is about Stephen Hawkings correct.

Your right, I haven't addressed that yet.
So he thinks God's a fairy tale?

So what.

that's my comment on Hawkings....

 

Oh, okay, champ. Why don't you go consult Wikipedia and explain, based on your intimate knowledge of Albert Einstein's innermost thoughts, his views on God.

That should be a real rip-snorter

 

The bible says you must follow certain things, live a certain way. Which for starters says you must be christian. What % of the earth is christian? Then what % of the christians will go to heaven? The numbers start dropping fast.

 

No, no man can get to heaven by good deeds alone. So being nice does not get you to heaven. Being Jew, Muslim, Buddahist, Hindu, or any other major religion does not get you to heaven. According to the bible, right?

 

Why care what Hawkings thinks on spiritual matters? He has done his part in other areas, to branch out to this is rather pathetic for him. It just goes to show that intellect alone, does not make one worldly when it comes to other matters.

 

I think Einstein believed in a higher power, not necessiarily christianity. But something that lead to the universe as it is today. Believing in a religion is man's way of believing how one get's eternal life. And there are a few religions that attempt to say how that must happen. All having a different means of getting there.

 

You're a bit slow old man. This has been out for some time.

Plus, of course, every atheist has known it since thay came to that conclusion.

It's nothing new but if Hawking is gonna convince you, then welcome, come on in and start thinking for yoursel now.

 

Hawkings is by far, not the first or the only one......

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Way to miss the forest for the trees. Math and science have been a great boon to humanity, but they will never be as much boon as what spirituality has given humanity. For a few outspoken science and math people to interfere in things they know nothing about is beyond ignorant, and should be discarded out of hand. While I like to argue with you, I will acknowledge you appear to have some intelligence, so think it through before just getting hostile.

 

And your babble is related to this topic...How? Perhaps you require an explanation. Hawkings isn't the first scientist to weigh in on religious matters, or did you already forget your post and start backtracking on it? Tsk.

"Why care what Hawkings thinks on spiritual matters? He has done his part in other areas, to branch out to this is rather pathetic for him. It just goes to show that intellect alone, does not make one worldly when it comes to other matters."​

You may not care what a scientist has to say about matters of faith but many do. Carl Sagan did many times. I pointed out one example, but that didn't click with you. Sorry.

 

Ok, hostile it is.

Hawkings understands whatever it is he is good at, math, physics and such, wihich has absolutely nothing to do with society and the value of spitituralism that 'religions' and such create. There is no comprehension of the real value that faith or even a lesser degree of 'belief' offers. Its more about a closeted person who simply has not had enough contact with the world around him. You seem to give some weight to people good with numbers, when the vast majority of people can't begin to understand such things. They are very different ideas, very different values to humanity as a whole.

When it comes to various belief systems, there is always a value assigned to life, live good and you will be rewarded in some manner. If you take the mathematic approach you nothing but a rotting corpse at the end of the day. People want more. They want to feel that life has a value, even if math can't prove it. That is the core problem here. Its not that math can or cannot prove it, its about the millions/billions around the world that simply want or need more. To discard the rest of humanity on the numbers or ideas produced by people that specialize in numbers is beyond niave. Its simply stupid.

What such concepts fail to realize is that if everyone believed it didn't matter, and that death is nothing but a rotting corpse, there exists no incentive to be better, do whatever the hell you want, who cares, at the end you just rot. That isn't acceptable if we wish to be civilized. Laws exist to punish after the fact, not to actually prevent. What sort of world is there if nobody cares? That is the question that Hawkings doesn't understand.

 

You present a well thought out hypothesis, flawed (to my way of reasoning) but logical within your sphere of beliefs. Hawkings presents his own opinions, within his own beliefs.

His direct quote is:

Some people of religious faith find his remarks egregious and many of them flip out. For some reason, in your defensive enthusiasm, you are postulating a lot more into his words than he actual said or apparently meant.

He didn't propose concepts, hypotheses or publish a treatise on god and an afterlife, he merely gave his opinion, as a man of science, on such things. Your prolific response appears to imply Hawkings made some all-out assault on religion, which he didn't.

The Shakespearean quote, "much ado about nothing" is appropriate here. To disagree is one thing. To over-react, another.

 

All religions are fairy stories. Only believed by those with the mind of a child that has stubbornly refuses to develop its brain power.

 

Ignorance is demonstrated in many forms! Bigotry of what you fear and what you don't understand is just one of them.

 

as a believer, i find your knowledge to be impressive and i could only dream of someday being as intelligent as you. however, its a shame to see it wasted on such an arrogant prick.

 

That, of course, is the believers' favourite get-out-of-jail card; you can't prove a negative...

 

Ah, so now you have resorted to attempting to reduce my position by making unfounded claims.

I suspect that you knew what I was speaking about all along but chose to play ignorant for the sake of argument.

And now once again going in a different direction to avoid the question.....

So as to convince yourself that you are right....

 

ah yes, the trusty argument "not believing in god makes me smart"

 

What percentage can read, what percentage actually have access to a bible, and of those who can read and have access to one, (assuming it's correct), what percentage have misinterpreted it's true intention, what ever that may be.

 

'The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal god and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity.
If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism'.

Albert Einstein

 

Actually it is called faith!

 

Kinda, Left Handed, Dontchu think??

 

It seems to work well for non-believers as well until it is turned back at them.

Believers can't prove or provide evidence that there is a God, Heaven or Hell, and non-believers can't prove or provide evidence that there isn't. Now we can all keep going round and round with philosophy, psychology, physics, math, or whatever science and neither side is going to get anywhere.

What I do find interesting is that some people with amazing intelligence avoid the simple question of what if they are wrong? And what is even more amazing is that if some these people of intelligence ever made a wager they would most likely take the bet that gave them the best odds, but in the case of the existence of God they will bet against it.